Knitel's InfinityPump

[wizkycho]

I want that all the newbies would understand at least the basics before they cry for the "fame".... OK!?

Wizkycho, learn a bit more... Before you claim the impossible.

As 1+1=2 in mathematics, there is an equivalent in physics knowledge..


How many times this basics stuff was explained? God knows....
Check out the facts.... Your textbooks, for a start...

Cheers!

Many Many times more and here and everywhere else cause nobody is that old as You are. what did you say You are 100 years old ?

I am an electrotechnician not a pneumatics repair man (god bless them) like yourself.

Have you something against that Magnetic Transistor works ?....

Wiz

Overunity is something beyond, who cannot offer at least a tought beyond (even false one) doesn't belong here.
Your cheap way of teaching, and not even slightest bit of courage to give at least a tought beyond, does not belong here.
I reccomend You to watch Death Poet Society over and over again. You make it Hard with no real reason whatsoever, not giving nothing beyond.
I gave at least emotion beyond.
Change Your Ways.

or just
spinn off to Hanses arms (I guessed it didn't I)

Wiz

here in overunity, even a poet and economist is welcome

[hansvonlieven]

certain positive:
.most of water here is allready lifted so input path to cilinder is not 5m.it is now and can be drawn/made 1mm

maybe negative:
.new paradox point might have been created at a bottom ...but that allso is in mm.

counter maybe negative:
although I don't think so cause water is not solid. it will create many small wortex-es.that I think will add to mechanism of pump up action.
...but now water from bottom container allso has to climb millimeters to refill the addon tank

You don't even think it deserves experiment. Is there some simmilar experiment ?

Wiz

There are some things that work and others that cannot. The laws of nature are dictating all of us what can and what cannot be done.

Now, I am not saying that we understand all there is to understand as far as nature is concerned, far from it. There is much to be discovered yet. However, when it comes to fundamental principles of hydraulics and hydrostatics the phenomena associated with it are well understood and there is nothing further to add.

Before you can have a vortex action you must have a flow. There is NO continuous flow possible in your latest device.

My next chapter in hydrostatics (the one I am writing at the moment) goes into the siphon effect and what you can and cannot do with siphons. This will address the principal flaw in your designs.

Hans von Lieven

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Now, I am not saying that we understand all there is to understand as far as nature is concerned, far from it. There is much to be discovered yet. However, when it comes to fundamental principles of hydraulics and hydrostatics the phenomena associated with it are well understood and there is nothing further to add.

Certainly, you are more knowledgable about fluid mechanics than I. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say there is "nothing further to add". Much of Viktor Schauberger's work is still not thoroughly understood and there have been several recent discoveries WRT fluid dynamics. There's still room for the field to grow.

[hansvonlieven]

Correct.

When I said that there is more to be discovered I was especially thinking of Schauberger's and Helmholtz's work on vortices, a subject of immense interest and study to me.

But, I only said that the fundamentals are understood and there is nothing further to add. That is a correct statement.

Hans

[wizkycho]

Correct.

When I said that there is more to be discovered I was especially thinking of Schauberger's and Helmholtz's work on vortices, a subject of immense interest and study to me.

But, I only said that the fundamentals are understood and there is nothing further to add. That is a correct statement.

Hans

btw.
(I have digested hydrostatic paradox to point I can say that container is handeling all the weight and only pressure is left as factor, and knowing what that means.)

You dare to compromise COE but wouldn't dare to further speculate on this paradox.(how to make this pressure lower)
...another material instead of water, elastic input container..., elastic cyilnider

Water doesn't change volume neither under pressure nor under negative preassure. therefore we observe paradoxal pressure of water that is under negative pressure.
the bottom line is if instead of water there is air even 100g swimmer will fall down (of course it wouldn't be bouyant in air). air is gas and is changing its volume,
can we say so it is elastic ?
We could find material(gas) that is much heavier then air but has same changeable volume under negative pressure (maybe not under positive cause we need bouyancy) and therefore we have lowered preasure at paradox point enough to make (it work) now much lighter swimmer to go down.

Or inserting wonderfull resonant Milkovich's pendulum in input pipe... to lower down paradoxal pressure

This is very far from nothing more to add. Just like in many many other things.

would be nice to hear some speculation about that from people with more expirinece in a pressure handling field, if they would only had some courage.

Wiz