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Toroidal Motor

Started by gravityblock, February 17, 2009, 03:53:29 PM

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broli

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February 17, 2009, 06:40:23 PM
All the theoretical bogus surrounding frames of references should be discarded and replaced by your own experiments and observations. That is what true physics is about. I currenlty did a crude experiment which is explained here

http://www.energeticforum.com/45789-post7.html

This shows that atleast there's no lenz effect that can cause breaking. But now I also have to show/prove that the thing will indeed rotate if there's a current through the wire, which I'm working on right now...slowly but steady. I'm by no means a practical person or do I have the right equipment, so like someone else said "I feel like I'm making fire with stones and twigs". ;D

gravityblock

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February 17, 2009, 07:29:19 PM
@broli:

I fully understand what you're doing now. That is a brilliant setup and experiment. I see no reason why it should fail in the next phase looking at your model. I'm in the same boat as you, trying to make fire with sticks and stones.  The worst part is no one taking an interest. I posted a previous thread about the misconceptions of the north and south poles of a magnet. You seem to understand this also or at least your model reflects this :)

One quick question for you. Apparently the wire was in a closed loop during testing for voltage in the wire. Did you try the same experiment in phase 1 where the wire is completely shorted out?  This would represent the wire having a full load.

Also, in the next phase of your experiment, don't forget to reverse the polarity running through the wire (switching the negative and positive on the terminals). I have a feeling one polarity will turn the top magnet and the other polarity will not.

Good Luck and I'll be following your threads
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

broli

#7
February 18, 2009, 04:53:00 AM
Either polarity should work fine. The top magnet will turn on the basis of newton's third law whether the force is in the positive direction or negative it shouldn't matter much. Everything wants to rotate actually, the lower magnet would want to rotate along with the top while the wires go in the opposite direction (but the point is to never let the wires rotate because this apparently induces a counter emf for some strange reason). But it's much easier to only let that top magnet rotate.

Also as something kind of related. When I went to sleep yesterday night I received an extremely simple method to create radially magnetized magnets. I'll probably make a thread about it.

gravityblock

#8
February 18, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
After more thought, the polarity may not be an issue regarding the rotation. Could it be possible that one polarity will have the counter emf while the other polarity does not?

Of course, I think you're correct in that it doesn't matter as long as the wire isn't allowed to rotate. I'm saying if the wire must rotate, then the polarity may be the issue.

I have two sides. One side of me is saying it doesn't matter while the other side of me is saying it could become a factor. If it does become a factor then I believe the polarity will resolve the issue if the wire must rotate. One of them must be correct. They both can not be wrong (but then again mother nature may decide both are wrong....LOL).

Yes and the radially magnetized magnets is your missing piece. I'm very interested in your method for this. I see a lot of potential with this kind of magnet.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

broli

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February 18, 2009, 08:53:18 AM
Concerning the polarity when the wires are rotating. No matter how the current flows I always end up (right hand rule) with a Force which is essentially an electric field in the wire in the opposite direction of MY applied voltage source. The reason why I find this concept strange is because I was "educated" by Faraday's law. That is a current loop seeing a change in flux will generate a voltage. But there is no change in flux even though it's moving. That's why I believe Faraday's law is just a subset of the Lorentz force law. So all we do is say "screw you wire", hold it still and rotate the magnet MASS instead, which we know will not rotate the magnetic FIELD. To be honest this is when I started to see the genius behind Tesla's induction motor. He has a rotating field but the mass generating the field is stationary. We just do the opposite

Btw the thread on making radial magnetized magnets is up..

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6856.0;topicseen
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