New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)

[hkyle]

Ya know the easiest way to replicate this is to use a Beer machine. Load with water and hookup your cell to the Carb diox port and let bubble and build presure for half hour.
I have one but it will take me a couple of weeks to even think about doing this.

[ekko]

 Hello,

Check this

http://www.h4o.co.jp/e/story/index.php


It seems to be possible to dissolve hydrogen in water.

[ResinRat2]

It almost sounds like you hook up the anode and cathode just like you do in electrolysis (say a tungsten electrode (cathode) and a zinc electrode (anode) connected with a copper wire, in water with a pH of 7.7 and completely sealed (and dark) container and let it sit for a day or so. Then see if the hydrogen has been dissolved. Does it seem that it is as easy as that?

Maybe you do regular high voltage electrolysis in a sealed pressure container?

Wow.

[ekko]

Hi,

I?m not an engineer, and certainly not an chemists, but i was following this topic as a guest from the start and I?m in fact surprised that nobody came up with this information. It seems that this H4O is only  knowed by the Japanese public, and almost not knowed in western media.  So  this information has maybe not much in common with what Steve Ryan is doing,
but its well worth to mention on this forum.

If i got the picture right these guys developed a method to dissolve hydrogen in water with up to 1,5 ppm   (particles per milion), if this could power an internal combustion engine i really don?t now but in a mixture with gasoline it would be worth trying it.
The method they are using is of course not released, but :

What we now is that :  - they are not using electrolysis method
-   they don?t use the stick method
-   they use compression method
-   the water they are using is ph neutral
-   they mention high pressure
-   storage: bonded water must be protected from light rays and must be hold in a oxygen pour environment. 
-   The bonded water is very stable but  producing it is could be  a very dangerous job.

                                     
What my imagination tells me is:  - the water they are using must be oxygen free and                     very                                        little contaminated (distilled water)       
-   the hydrogen there are using is pure
-   they use a piston in a cylinder to compress the hydrogen into the water
-   the hydrogen before compression has a certain pressure that?s not too low and not too high
-   the cylinder is not reactive with hydrogen
-   the cylinder is well grounded to earth or,
-   the cylinder is maybe charged in a way that bonding is easier
-   without the right knowledge this could be a catastrophe
-   its better to buy fairly the water and test it out in an engine.

I don?t ask anyone to try this out, to be fair I?m not going to try this for myself and risk the danger. I just thought that this belongs to this forum.

[ekko]

Hi,

I was thinking to find a way to prevent hydrogen from recombining back to water right after it is been released from water trough processes like electrolysis, chemical reactions, ect.
Oxygen is a quit heavy gas that is found much present at sea level, and less in the mountains Hydrogen is a very light gas that would rise as high as possible when released into the open air, but it wont get very high because ....the most of it could recombine before it reach a certain height, as air contains oxygen and oxygen and hydrogen together ...forms water.
So back to the electrolysis part, as soon as hydrogen is been released  from the water surface it would be pushed away by the heavier air that contains...... oxygen.   
So in a certain way there is a lost of energy before it will be used for the purpose we wants it too serve.
It isn?t easy too get ride of air as it is everywhere, its in every room, inside or lungs or shoes, inside the stereo ect,  it will go everywhere due to the atmospheric pressure.
While thinking i stated that even water contains a certain level of oxygen making it possible for fish to breave, but once it is consumed and not putted back by nature it just isn?t there anymore.
So if we use water  to transport the hydrogen gas through from fuel cell to lets say engine, there is no way we have this energy lost because at a certain stage al the oxygen in the water has become water by combining with hydrogen.
You could say this would be the same in a fuel cell with standing air. Yes it is, but at the point all oxygen is consumed, you still have other gasses like nitrogen that is heavier then hydrogen, so it could hold back the hydrogen from releasing from the water.
Also in this configuration, from the moment the cell is off or even during work , you have that sneaky air that is doing everything to reach the water surface.

In this setup - witch of course isn?t perfect- i  connect the outlet of the fuel cell to the downside of  a closed container with water in it and place the container higher then the fuel cell. The container is full of water so there is no standing air in the system, only water.
There is no water surface to break.
At the moment hydrogen is released freely into the container we open a valve at the bottom of the container to let out the water. The valve has only a narrow opening so no air could penetrate from the outside and only water could go out.
This creates a situation that the container fills itself with hydrogen, pushing the water out of the container. The water that?s going out is the hydrogen that?s ?going in?, so this could give exact measurements of the hydrogen being produced at certain pressure By pulling on the water going out you could bring the system under small vacuum that could maybe improve the hydrogen generation.
And if we need the hydrogen for the purpose we are using it, we tap it from the upside of the container and pump some water back into the container. The pressure of the water pumped in is the pressure of the hydrogen released. If we don?t need much pressure we could use another container placed at higher level and let water going in by atmospheric pressure.
Now we are in a dangerous situation !!
We have hydrogen gas stored  and the cell is still running, there is no electrical separation between the fuel cell and the container because the water could transport current. What now?
Well at this point this could be an issue !!
-We could use  distilled water that is a better insulator then normal water, but this will hold back hydrogen generation in case of electrolysis method.
-We could increase the distance from the cell to the container.
- We could design the system in a way that bubbles raise only one by one and with a certain distance to each other.
-Ground both the water and the container to earth?
-Store only a safe amount of hydrogen acting as a buffer?? What is a save amount??!!
-Add another bubbler on top and let the hydrogen going true it only when the fuel cell is off -   keep both bubblers electrically separated -.
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Maybe this wouldn?t be enough......Feel free to add or correct a few things to this!

To me this is just a mind experiment that could have some little advantage comparing to the usual way, but testing it out is not yet on my list.