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Overunity Machines Forum



Stanley Meyer Explained

Started by h20power, March 15, 2009, 06:34:59 PM

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h20power

Kolbacict,


Since you've went away from Meyer's research I hate to be the one to tell you this but this thread of mines simply is no longer for you. None of that quote I took from one of Meyer's papers will work for you as your gap between the plates is larger than Meyer's thus the voltage required to make it work will be greater that what Meyer spoke about. Unlike you I, and several others, went the other way in that in my earlier WFC I went with a space gap of just 0.8128 mm and in the one shown just 0.254 mm. The problem I ran into was the transformers were too small when I tuned them for 12 kHz and thus couldn't power the load. Even Ravi's space gap was smaller than that of Meyer's which is why his worked with less voltage than Meyer stated was needed for his WFC, but the frequency was too low to give a sustained high gas output.


This three plate thing is so far away from what Meyer did you might as well create a whole new thread for it as it simple isn't anywhere near what Meyer was doing. Let me ask you a question about that device, have you ever seen a capacitor made that didn't have the plates parallel to each other being sold in the open market? I know I haven't and for good reason as it breaks the methods of science taught in most college classes on capacitance. For if the plates aren't parallel to each other the charge on the plates will be uneven.


Now I have built a parallel plate cell before and even took that cell with me to the Global BEM in 2013 for show and tell. What I built was different than most people building parallel plates cells in that the plates of my cell were actually bars some 9.5 mm thick. My reason for this was I knew water was part of the circuit and I also knew that current will follow the path of least resistance. Thus in a parallel plate set up if I wanted the plates to be charged and not have the current flow through the water bath I had to make it so the plates would give a short cut to the path to ground at the space gap was the same as Meyer's in that plate cell and the bars had a much lower resistance than the water did so that the current would move to charge to plates and not go over the top of the bars. I purposely used thick bars knowing that the resistance of those bars was far less than the water for the same distance as the bars were thick. In fact the plate surface area of my parallel plate capacitor was exactly the same as Meyer's WFC.
But can you see I used my knowledge of just how this technology worked to build something different but still comparable to what Meyer did? At no point did I use anything that was so far away from what Meyer did as if I did I'd have nothing to go off of when trying to compare what I was doing to what Meyer did. I never separated the chokes from the pulsing core as some folks did and only my first cell was a departure from Meyer's cell as to where I could not compare any results from that cell to the results Meyer spoke about. I was new and just getting started but I quickly learned that things must be done as closely as I could get them to that of what Meyer was working with if I wanted to use his stated working parameters for a resonant cavity and I adjusted what I was doing accordingly.


I believe this is why I am the only one that I know of that has reach these high voltage levels to his cell as I built things as close as possible to how Meyer built his stuff. Once I understood what was going on I was able to make some small changes to improve the technology past where Meyer left off as just as Dr. Faraday would need some modern technology like diodes and stainless steal to have been able to do this but we have some things Meyer never had to use as they were invented after his death.


I just wish I had the funds I need right now as then this technology would already be on the marketplace for folks to purchase. I went ahead and posted some pic's of my parallel plate cell and as you can see I was testing something else with this cell as I use a lot of LED's testing for the effect of light energy on this technology. The cell works great and has no leaks and I'm able to see with my own two eyes the effects that laser energy has on this part of this technology.


Take care,
Edward

kolbacict

Quote from: lancaIV on May 08, 2021, 06:16:15 AM
kolbacict : beginning with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_bonding_of_water


+ agent ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrocatalyst


Pressure,temperature,.....
We know a little. True, we forgot a lot. It was a long time ago. I have a diploma in chemistry. :)
Unfortunately, Stanley Meer's technology is not described there.

QuoteSince you've went away from Meyer's research I hate to be the one to tell you this but this thread of mines simply is no longer for you.
I just don't have a choice. I have no vacuum resin and no money either.  :D
I do what I can, from what is available. What is shown is not far of all.
By the way, it turns out to be interesting things. Maybe someone else had it, but what I have is entirely  from my head. It turns out anything, except for the exit of HHO in excess of Faraday's law. >:(

h20power

There are a few reasons why I don't post the specific wavelengths I am using and one of them is the company that sells them only sells their stuff to other companies and never to the general public. So, if you don't have a company you simply can't get these LED's. Failure to vacuum resin seal these transformer will result in the transformer shorting out. The ringing noise you hear is actually caused by the wires vibrating and eventually that ringing will cause the wires to rub off the wires protective coating. The only fix for this problem is to vacuum resin seal the transformers so that the wires can't move.


The ionization problem of the air around the wires of the transformer can be solved with some transformer oil but not the movement of the wires when they are making that ringing sound. So, if you can't afford to get the resin, a vacuum pump, and build your own vacuum chamber then you can't have this technology as anything you build will fail within a short time after it is built if used consistently. I have seen many transformers fail by others in their videos, and have had  many of my transformers fail until I learned how to build them correctly. There is no getting around this as these transformers must be built the correct way or they will fail guaranteed.


Even after I started vacuum resin sealing these transformers I still had much to learn as I had to throw away this one as the connectors got stuck to the foil and I ended up ripping quite a few of them out. This is now a fairly expensive paperweight, but live and learn, yes? Now I know how to make these transformers without messing things up like I did with this one but I had to learn things the hard way. The cost of this transformer is on the high side and until I can afford to buy things in bulk that will always be the case as those rules were set by the rich way before I was born. We are all bound by the rules of the markets as we accepted into this system the day we were born and from the looks of it this capitalist system will be up and running long after we are dead. These are just some of the many ways the rich get richer while the poor get poorer as they can afford to buy in bulk which gives the best prices and we poor folk can not. I think they kindly call this, "Scaling things up," in the manufacturing world.


Right now while I have to buy things at high prices I can only afford to build just a few at a time so when I make a mistake like this it is very costly to me. I think you are looking at a $3.5k USD mistake if I remember correctly. But I didn't give up and quit and just made another one without breaking all of the connections after curing the resin for several hours in the oven.


It would be nice if us poor folk didn't act like crabs in a bucket so much as I could really use some help funding this technology: [size=78%]https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me[/size] and since I have shown I've taken the proper steps so that I can build everything correctly folks should join in and give me a helping hand so that this technology can make a difference in our world. Most people haven't done the ground work needed to build this technology like I have let alone show the results I have shown. Things must be built the proper way or if not things simply will not work as intended to work and are guaranteed to fail. Everything has a cost to it and for this technology when you are starting off those cost are on the high side which is something I learned through the school of hard knocks.


It would be nice if we acted as a team but we don't as we are trained to be capitalist from an early age and everyone is in it for themselves and the bigger picture be damned. I guess we will learn when we have to pay for the air we breath and failure to pay will result in death.


The future is what we make it,
Edward

kolbacict

Quotea space gap of just 0.8128 mm and in the one shown just 0.254 mm.
Well, I later came up with a cell with an adjustable distance between parallel stainless steel electrodes. Made from a disposable syringe. The distance can be reduced until it touches.
Did not help. Only boiled water there.  :)
But I want to say, although according to Meyer, the gas output has not turned out so far, only according to Faraday, I came up with many interesting things. 8) ;)
For example, would you got an electrolysis product (according to Faraday,yet) :( using only alternating current of low and high frequency? Removable directly from the secondary winding of the transformer.
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode. And I have achieved this.

Sergh

Quote from: kolbacict on May 13, 2021, 03:26:25 AM
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode.
It is not necessary to have a diode as electronic part for AC rectification. Under certain conditions, the contacts of the cell are capable of  of self- rectifying:
-  cell contacts are made of different metals or metals with different oxide film thicknesses. Some metal oxides, not just aluminum, are capable of rectifying alternating current.
-  even two electrodes with different surface areas conduct alternating current to the electrolyte differently, e.g. needle and rectangle, fine wire and tube

https://simplifier.neocities.org/rectifier.html

http://no3m.net/2016/02/electrolytic-rectifiers/