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Overunity Machines Forum



Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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Yucca

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
@Yucca and Toukoqouko: Beautiful!!

Lol, thought you´d like it TK. Very useful homebrew software for PMM researchers.

edit: related to post:
RE http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg178884#msg178884

dixiepnum

@ALFPARTS, Sterling, UtahBill, Mylow, and everyone...

all I can say is that I wish this thing was being run as a business, because our metrics would be improving much more quickly!

-decreasing cost of parts
-increasing alternative part sources
-increasing # of replicators
-increasing # of replications
-decreasing amount of baloney on the thread

...anyone got $30k to spare and I'll just outsource it? We'll be done in a week...

despite everyone's best efforts, (god bless mylow and the replicators), this project is all over the map, and at the current rate, the 'Mylow dream' will be dead by June....

I'm getting a headache...we have something like 2.3 serious replicators, on a machine that's accomplished something never before done, with 48 parts and 400 magnetic fields to decipher...

Mylow: how much is it going to cost me for you to build a working machine and give it to me, no questions asked?

ugh...does money talk?

TinselKoala

Quote from: dixiepnum on May 15, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
(snip)
ugh...does money talk?

Not around here. Not only that you can't talk about money, either. It puts too much pressure on the researchers.
But you do put things in perspective--30 large, some competent engineers (who laugh behind your back but keep straight faces in the meetings), some real simulations, a bunch of magnets, Mylow on staff as consultant at a kilobuck a day---and at the end of it all you still won't have made the impossible motor run.
But I'm always willing to be proven wrong, and I've already offered my grand. Maybe we should make a pot, you know, like for hockey. We all throw in our kid's next year's tuition, and whoever gets one going first (besides Mylow, he's an insider so can't play, doesn't seem to want to anyway) gets the whole thing.

Clickclick.

TinselKoala

Quote from: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
(snip)

Notice the large half sin wave appearing between the green lines. This half sin consists of deceleration followed by acceleration and occupies almost exactly half a revolution, it is caused by the rig not being flat. Sometimes the rotor mags are climbing a hill, sometimes descending it.

If the stator were removed from the rig then you would get a full sin wave slowly trending upward to an equilibrium speed as it´s mercylessly driven by some mysterious external source. BUSTED!!! :o

If anyone else can explain this speed signiature any differently then I´d love to hear.

I'd just like to enlarge on the explanation a little bit, because I know many people have difficulty interpreting graphs. Time is of course left to right and rotation speed is vertical, and the trendline (the average of what's shown) is sloping up to the right which indicates overall acceleration. The green lines mark the position where stator and rotor magnets are closest together. As you can see, as the stator position is approached, the wheel slows fairly radically, and when it passes out of the gate, it recovers some speed but NOT as much as it lost. This is clearly showing that there's an energy loss from the wheel when the magnets are close together. And only when the magnets are farther apart, does the wheel resume its acceleration (with the sinusoid imbalance signature superimposed.) But the energy lost in the gate is not returned: the upward acceleration slope is a stairstep.
The energy to move this wheel is coming from outside, not from the interactions between the magnets, and this video analysis, if valid, is strong evidence for that. And I have no doubts as to the validity of this analysis--but it should be confirmed, anyway.

TinselKoala

Quote from: spinner on May 15, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
@Alfparts
I'm just curious... Why are you so interested in ML's setup when you were working with the master himself? You are one of a few people (I may say the only one) who ever claimed that they saw HJ's motor working for that long....

You surely know that Mr. HJ had always tremendous difficulties whenever he wanted to prove his motors in public.

And, what kind of load was attached? Is "25 kgf-m/s" unit a typo, or means Watts, Newton-meters?....  (maybe "kilogram fucking negative meters per second"?)

I'd like to calculate the energy created in those 16 hours.... (Btw, what were you people doing during those 16 hours? Discussing, playing chess,...? )

Cheers!

I'll jump in here and interpret: kgf probably means "kilograms of force":
From Wiki:
"The unit kilogram-force (kgf or just kg) or kilopond (kp) is defined as the magnitude of the force exerted on one kilogram of mass by a 9.80665 m/s2 gravitational field (standard gravity, a conventional value approximating the average magnitude of gravity on Earth). So one kilogram-force is by definition equal to 9.80665 newtons.
(snip)
The kilogram-force has never been a part of the International System of Units (SI), which was introduced in 1960. The SI unit of force is the newton.

Prior to this, the unit was widely used in much of the world; it is still in use for some purposes. The thrust of a rocket engine, for example, was measured in kilograms-force in 1940s Germany, in the Soviet Union (where it remained the primary unit for thrust in the Russian space program until at least the late 1980s), and it is still used today in China and sometimes by the European Space Agency.

It is also used for tension of bicycle spokes, for torque measured in "meter-kilograms", for pressure in kilograms per square centimeter, for the draw weight of bows in archery, and to define the "metric horsepower" (PS) as 75 metre-kiloponds per second.[1]"
End quote.
And begin ROTFL.

By the way, I saw a UFO once, when I was Billy Meyer's go-fer (or was it disciple? It was a long time ago). It hovered there for sixteen hours, and I know it massed at least a metric ton.
Do you believe me? Why not? I just told you I saw it, didn't I?? That should be enough evidence for anyone.