Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[Farrah Day]

Jibbguy

Noboby is knocking the guy, and I think we've all read and seen the reports. It's simply a healthy dose of skeptism - which around here is essential. Everyone will have their own opinion on this until further details are published. And Kanzius now being dead is irrelevant.

As for efficiency, you are only speculating as you - like I - have no way of knowing all the crucial details. Besides, it's not the efficiency that's important here, it's whether or not we have a new chapter in science unfolding.

The fact is that it's the lack of crucial details in this kind of headline that creates all the skeptiscm in the first place, so you can't decry folk from being cautious. I think you're being a little niave here.

I think also you will find that he was using 13.56 meg

[jibbguy]

Interesting..  Where did you learn about the efficiency of  the Kanzius experiment?   I haven't  been able to any information on the efficiency, let alone the experiment details.   Do you have a link?

Lol, it looks like YOU cared about it (...until now apparently )

As for a replication: How do you know it hasn't been replicated, and several times? Where is YOUR proof to debunk the local Cleveland TV news report (and another in Florida), and the 60 Minutes program segment? Where is YOUR scientific Paper that refutes the one sited?

You have  n-o-t-h-i-n-g  to back your comments on except your personal opinion.

You can't get away with just knee-jerk denying without expecting to have someone calling you on it. Bring some proof yourself... Or stop dis'ing a person who gave his all for us.

Another Paper disclaiming the first would do just fine.

Funny... I would think that if it was so damn fake, that they would have jumped on doing that right away

[newbie123]

Lol, it looks like YOU cared about it (...until now apparently )

Lol, you got me there...   Actually, I was hoping some experiment details could be found with actual efficiency measurements (if any were to be found).

As for a replication: How do you know it hasn't been replicated, and several times? Where is YOUR proof to debunk the local Cleveland TV news report (and another in Florida), and the 60 Minutes program segment? Where is YOUR scientific Paper that refutes the one sited?

The problem here  is that you don't understand ...   That there is   NOTHING TO DEBUNK  in those in those TV news reports...  Think about it.   How can I replicate his experiment from what you saw on TV?   How can it actually be proven or disproven with that information?  It can't.   TV is not proof..  Replications are.

[jibbguy]

@Farrah: Yes thanks it is "13.56" not 14.56  (..and i had posted that just 2 weeks ago here too in another thread lol). And this is still the same as the RFID freq. I went back and changed it now, so much appreciated.

@Newbie: No one is replicating this in the Open Source community as far as i know, that is true. But that doesn't refute the paper, or the work that was done by the company in Erie... It just means that no has replicated it yet. We don't know what the peeps in Erie are doing with it... But i have my suspicions what happened to this technology: It likely got bought-out and shelved, like some others i plan to write about in my next series of articles on corporate shelving

And in the news reports, they didn't get into details, but they stated what was happening clearly. This means they vetted the information before putting it on the air, probably via an independent scientist or academic that they use for these cases.

And i bet that if it had really been "Debunkable", our buddy Eric at "Philadelphia Skeptics" would have done so by now lol
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Maybe the idea of using an RFID transceiver as the oscillator front-end will help with getting some O-S replications of the Kanzius system in the future, who knows. I used to work with these RFID devices; they are easy to use, much the same as a wifi router with internal antenna in design. They have multiple "channels" and other F-tuning settings that can be manually tweaked using an HTTP GUI ; and i'm willing to bet that some peeps here know how to squeeze the best possible Watts efficiency out of an inductive step-up system for the output section

And the reason that efficiency is important, should be evident: Every time we prove that the text books are lying about the energy efficiency of disassociating water... We drive another nail into Big Oil's coffin

[newbie123]

@Newbie: No one is replicating this in the Open Source community as far as i know, that is true. But that doesn't refute the paper, or the work that was done by the company in Erie...

Well.. That paper is just about as pointless, and credible,  as the TV clips..   Other than giving out the polarized RF frequency.

And the reason that efficiency is important, should be evident: Every time we prove that the text books are lying about the energy efficiency of disassociating water... We drive another nail into Big Oil's coffin

Over Faraday gas measurements are just calculation errors (Every one I've seen, at least) ..    I've actually looked into this... And the series cells, i.e. Bob Boyce 101, will appear to get more gas out per current, when they're really not (it's sort of an illusion)...  But I don't want to get into the details in this thread.