Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzM4SZYEY6E

[pstroud]

Hi Dusty!

I've been traveling lately and busy with projects and I have not had time to explore all of the posts over the last 2 months.

Dusty, I posted a couple of messages about 2 months ago and made a suggestion that Abeling's solution may utilize connecting rods between opposing weights.  This would allow the weight at the bottom to cause a shot-put action and thrust the upper weight upwards.

I have personnaly been holding off on starting my own test model of Abeling's wheel with hopes that you would run a test and post results of using a flexible connecting rod to generate the shot-put action.

Have you tested this yet?
Do yo intend to test it?

If you have not and you do not intend to, then please let me know andI may build my own replication to test this theory that I really belive is the answer.

I appologize if you have already posted the results but I've been too busy lately to follow through on all postings.



Dusty,  Thanks again for posting your test results & pictures.  Greatly appreciated!!!!

Preston Stroud

[Cloxxki]

Some random thought that came to me.
Weight on the right side of the wheel, when having a downward trajectory component, are doing work. It's unlikely that the wheel at any moment will accellerate quicker than the weights would be just solely on a rod from the axle.
When on top of this work, they take the inside line at 5:00 or so, they can press down even harder. If this force, via a rod and/or spring is directed to the opposing weight... This has been proposed before as you say, but it sure is interesting. The bottom weight should not come to a halt at deep bottom though, and the rod may come in handy there. Decelleration after the shot put might already be used to get the bottom weight back on schedule.

Supposing this setup would show us wild acceleration, true PMM, what exactly would be the reason for it "working"? Where are we using energy earlier neglected?

[Cloxxki]

I did some even rougher sketching just now, won't bother you with it. Couldn't help but coming back to the proposed rod/spring between the 2 weights, also because of Abeling's own cryptic descriptions.

I see it like this now:
Rod of variable length, spring loaded. Neutral length is length than maximum, springs only act at shorter than neutral length.

Now, what's important here:
- As Abeling says, power is accumulated in the 6-9:00 quadrant. The is where the ramp offers the weight its shortcut. It's would have been too easy to tell us that the weight are in the 1st and 3rd quadrants when charging up the system.
- Note the geoemtry of the Abeling D.
  - Right hand side is dead-on a circle. Except after 5:00 or so, we see it edging inside, reducing radius to the wheel's axle (not necessarily the rod's axle, it may well have none.).
  - The left hend side is a bit of a mystery. I'm proposing this a constantly sloping curve. Quite flat at 9:00, and rather pointy at 12:00. 6:00 would NOT be a mirror of 12:00, being more flat.

The action:
0:00+~6:00 Rod is vertical, maximum length, springs not doing anything.
~1:30 Neutral rod length reached and its tightening further. The spring will be increasingly compressed.
3:00+9:00 Minimum rod length and maximum spring load reached. The sloping curves saw the 2-3:00 weight delivering the work for the spring, while the 8-9:00 weight was at the end of its free ramp ride, slowing down naturally, and as suiting the near-axle route.
9:00 Spring will start to unload. Slowly at first due to mind curve difference between the trajectories.
~11:00 Neutral position, and distance between weight is increasing faster than the spring can keep up with at the present radial speed. Upper weight is shot out, for the rim to catch it, and make sure it travels the long way around 1-3:00 again, to compress the spring.

The before-6:00 horizontal move seems to nicely aid the shot put.  It doesn't drop down to the bottom part of the circle, while the top weight does go (nearly?) all the way up.

Abeling writes that the path of the weight is predetermined. Perhaps he didn't only calculate the perfect oval or D shape, but went a step further: the path that offers the most efficient spring loading and release. Obviously asymmetrical on the Y axis, is my gut feeling.

Summarizing.
- Taking the most from the 6-9 free ramp ride
- Finely tuned curves, especially the "striaght" part of the D.
- A connecting rod+spring is fully loaded between 1-3:00, which will may or may not start releasing right after, with an acceleration in the inter-weight distance closy tuned with the rod's load and release.
- The beginnin of the 5:00 ramp is shaped such that the spring lease shot put action on the upper weight does not slow the bottom weight, it may even accellerate both.
- The rod MAY revolve around an axle, but it will then possibly be one in the right hand side of the wheel. As I see it now, possibly on or close to the center of mass of the weights trajectories.

This remains a tough one to crack. I feel a face-to-face brainstorming session might offer great ideas, or better. Any of the Dutchies here up for it? With some cardboard, 2 sizes PVC pipe, elastic bands, and paperclips, we might try various ideas on the spot.

Most of the above have been proposed by greater mind earlier in this thread, but I felt like writing it down. Please take it to the next level of it has any validity?

J

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What's up with the wheel Dudes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhvep0M4rw0&feature=channel_page