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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Cherryman

Quote from: 0c on April 14, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
For some adventuresome WM2D user:

Create a 1 meter diameter wheel that has eight 1Kg steel balls/weights held inside at the periphery. Provide a ball escape mechanism for at least one ball which can be triggered to release the ball. Mount the wheel so the lowest portion is 1 meter from a perfectly elastic surface which is 90 degrees to the escape trajectory (you may need to try a couple runs to get the correct trajectory).

Now spin the wheel at 100 RPM and release one ball at the bottom (6:00 position) and see how high it bounces. Also note any changes to wheel rotation when the ball escapes. Now repeat the experiment at 200 RPM and note the difference.

The purpose of this experiment is to see how much energy (momentum) the ball acquires from the centrifugal force of the spinning wheel. We all know what the gravitational effects will be.

A few pages back, I described a system where the balls actually leave the wheel at the bottom and are recaptured at the top. In that concept, there are only weights on one side of the wheel, once it gets up to operating speed. This simple experiment should provide some information about weight and wheel behavior under these conditions, which might be useful for determining the feasibility of using a ball return mechanism external to the rotating device.

Again.. That comes down to the same...  See here a ball leaving the wheel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBygA2vOHx4&feature=channel_page

Although it happens on the inside, it still is disconnected from the wheel by the ramp. You can actually see it also flying away from the rod, so it's floating free for a short period and then rejoins the wheel at around 12 o clock.

I tried that in different setups.. But it will loose speed eventually.

0c

Quote from: Cherryman on April 14, 2009, 02:47:45 PM
Again.. That comes down to the same...  See here a ball leaving the wheel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBygA2vOHx4&feature=channel_page

Although it happens on the inside, it still is disconnected from the wheel by the ramp. You can actually see it also flying away from the rod, so it's floating free for a short period and then rejoins the wheel at around 12 o clock.

I tried that in different setups.. But it will loose speed eventually.

In your example, the ball/weight is still supported by the spokes of the wheel on the way up. I want to see how the ball and wheel behave if the ball is ejected at the bottom so there is no interaction with the wheel until it rejoins at the top. And is there a change in the ball's energy level if the wheel is rotating at 200 RPM vs 100 RPM.

mondrasek

Quote from: 0c on April 14, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
Now spin the wheel at 100 RPM and release one ball at the bottom (6:00 position) and see how high it bounces. Also note any changes to wheel rotation when the ball escapes. Now repeat the experiment at 200 RPM and note the difference.

The ball will not drop straight down if released at the 6 o'clock position.  At that position it is traveling parallel to the surface of the Earth (same direction as an arrow from 3 to 9 o'clock).  Release it there and it will now be able to be acted on by the acceleration of gravity and so its path will arc towards Earth.  If you speed up the wheel to 200 RPM you will be traveling twice as fast in the horizontal when you release at 6 o'clock.  So it will travel further out away from the wheel as it arcs downward due to gravity.

If you want the ball on a clockwise wheel to drop straight down, you must release it at 3 o'clock.  If it does go straight down it would also indicate that the Centrifugal Force disappeared the moment the ball was released as well.  Nice experiment for that purpose I suppose.

M.

Cherryman

Quote from: 0c on April 14, 2009, 03:01:08 PM
In your example, the ball/weight is still supported by the spokes of the wheel on the way up. I want to see how the ball and wheel behave if the ball is ejected at the bottom so there is no interaction with the wheel until it rejoins at the top. And is there a change in the ball's energy level if the wheel is rotating at 200 RPM vs 100 RPM.

The beam is the hollow droplet shaped curve, when you look carefully you will see that the ball leaves the beam due to a higher spead the ball gains from the curved blocker.  But feel free to test it yourself.

About 30 pages back i posted this one..  It has a start speed of 1 for half a second and after settling it will run between 1.22 and 0.88 quite a while. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDWtxSMbCc&feature=channel_page

Cherryman

Here you can see what a dropping ball from 3 'o clock is capable of  (Without extra force or speed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14mzbSkybvk&feature=channel_page