Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Omnibus]

That isn't the case here. Recall that a device with forced trajectory doesn't work (see attached). Spheres really have to have more degrees of freedom for the pivot-mass center shift to be in effect. Not even all ramps yield working models. This has to be studied more now that we know that perpetuum mobile is possible in principle.

[hansvonlieven]

It's exactly the opposite. The center of mass is calculated correctly by the program (which is proven in several ways, as I already explained) but the rest of the calculations are messed up by the program. The fact that the program messes up the rest of the calculations is a moot point, as I already said, because the most important calculation -- the position of the center of mass -- the program does well. I already explained that. The conclusion is that the model of Abeling's rig is a perpetuum mobile at least in the ideal case.

I know what you are doing wrong, You take into account only the position of the weights relative to the fulcrum. Of course you get a permanent imbalance, What you are ignoring is the energy required to force the weights into an elliptic orbit around the fulcrum. Once you add that in you will, in an ideal system, find balance. Add in friction etc and you have loss.

Hans von Lieven

[Omnibus]

I know what you are doing wrong, You take into account only the position of the weights relative to the fulcrum. Of course you get a permanent imbalance, What you are ignoring is the energy required to force the weights into an elliptic orbit around the fulcrum. Once you add that in you will, in an ideal system, find balance. Add in friction etc and you have loss.

Hans von Lieven

No, no, we're discussing an ideal situation. No resistance, only masses and gravity. It's a perpetuum mobile, no doubt about that.

I should've probably worded the previous post differently: Any device (Abeling's, Andy's whatever) which has non-coincident mass center and pivot and the former is at all times positioned sideways, is a perpetuum mobile and should work in principle. The way any patent for an internal combustion engine should represent a working machine. However, in reality very few are reallyworking due to numerous purely engineering problems. Same here. If a device having the said permanent discrepancy cannot be made to work, the problem is a purely engineering one and depends on the skills of the person who manufactures it. Simple as that.

[hansvonlieven]

In an ideal system a pendulum is a perpetuum mobile.

Hans von Lieven

[Dusty]

Now I have the frame finished and the wheels mounted.  Next I need to build all the new dumbells and build the tracks.  I'm going to try and design a track system using steel instead of the plywood.  All this work will take me about a week to finish.

I took all the best of the best of the smaller wheel and am putting all that into this newer bigger design.  If it eventually works, well great, but if it doesn't I'll rebuild and try again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzaf_mmsUak

Dusty