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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Quote from: 0c on May 09, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Seems to me an "unbalanced wheel" will seek the position of maximum entropy, which just happens to be "balanced". Once that is achieved, there is no more motion.

Yep.. Can we also say the "keeling" effect? The natural relaxation, spontaneous seeking of the minimum potential energy, the point of rest, reaching the "punctum quietus", etc...
Or, Natural tendency for relaxation? Sofa, TV, anyone?  ;D

Of course, there might be mechanisms which drives the Universe continuously... Perpetually.
Who said that the existence is just a one way path from max energy to max entropy? Why couldn't be a cyclical process? Perpetual?
Eh... Nevermind.
Cheers...
"Ex nihilo nihil"

0c

Quote from: Omnibus on May 09, 2009, 06:53:52 PM
Learn first what entropy means before attempting to use such big words.

Here's one definition:
"a non-conserved thermodynamic state function, measured in terms of the number of microstates a system can assume, which corresponds to a degradation in usable energy."

Here's another:
"a measure of the partial loss of the ability of a system to perform work due to the effects of irreversibility."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

The heavy side of the unbalanced wheel will settle to the bottom and no further work will be done.

Omnibus

Quote from: 0c on May 09, 2009, 07:33:14 PM
Here's one definition:
"a non-conserved thermodynamic state function, measured in terms of the number of microstates a system can assume, which corresponds to a degradation in usable energy."

Here's another:
"a measure of the partial loss of the ability of a system to perform work due to the effects of irreversibility."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

The heavy side of the unbalanced wheel will settle to the bottom and no further work will be done.

Instead of posting definitions whose meaning escapes you try to put some effort in systematic learning. This you won't be able to accomplish in a forum such as this no matter how much you push to attract attention so that  someone finally attempts to explain it to you.

hansvonlieven

Quote from: Omnibus on May 09, 2009, 06:38:52 PM
No, I said what the condition is. A balanced wheel when not put in motion not only will not spin forever but will not spin at all. Unbalanced wheel, on the other hand, even if not set in motion will spin forever when let go from a standstill if correctly engineered, let alone if the conditions are ideal.

Incorrect.

An unbalanced wheel will not spin, even in an ideal system, unless there is an outside force acting upon it. If there is no outside force it will behave like a pendulum.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Omnibus

Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 09, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
Incorrect.

An unbalanced wheel will not spin, even in an ideal system, unless there is an outside force acting upon it. If there is no outside force it will behave like a pendulum.

Hans von Lieven

That's exactly what an unbalanced wheel is not. Outside force is substituted by the persistent violation of the lever rule. That's the very essence of unbalance wheel.

Before getting into this more complicated case, the case of unbalances wheel, you should understand first that a balanced wheel when not put in motion not only will not spin forever but will not spin at all. This you don't seem to get.