Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[i_ron]

Don't get it. Do search for what? You suggest there might be a governmental project under the name "weight power plant", is that it? Someone must be out of his mind to have suggested that the government would fund such a thing. Where has this been suggested?

"Abeling Beheer has been given permission by the Dutch government to construct Weight Power Plants in The Netherlands, and it has been given permission to connect these plants to the current infrastructure."

(water management is a second place priority...RP)

"The construction of the first Weight Power Plant is expected in May 2009.
The location for the construction of the first Weight Power Plant is probably going to be the province of Groningen, the Netherlands."

http://mooieenergie.nl/

[Omnibus]

"Abeling Beheer has been given permission by the Dutch government to construct Weight Power Plants in The Netherlands, and it has been given permission to connect these plants to the current infrastructure."

(water management is a second place priority...RP)

"The construction of the first Weight Power Plant is expected in May 2009.
The location for the construction of the first Weight Power Plant is probably going to be the province of Groningen, the Netherlands."

http://mooieenergie.nl/

And, why do you construe this to mean that this is a governmental project and that the government has to report on the net about its progress which we can find using a search engine?

[i_ron]

And, why do you construe this to mean that this is a governmental project and that the government has to report on the net about its progress which we can find using a search engine?

Did I at any point say, or even insinuate, that this was a government project?

My response was to tink who said,"Hans, do you mean to say the Dutch government and all the companies working with Sjack Abeling are just plain stupid? Can so many people be so stupid?"

See? he says "government working with S Abeling" This is not
grounds to label this a government project, but rather as my
quotes show... if the government has given permission, then
this is co-operating. I was assuming that everyone would be
able to comprehend that just a search on 'groningen'
would lead only to hotels and tourist destinations, but in the
interests of brevity, I failed to say "groningen power plant"
or "groningen weight power plant" which brings up what
seems to be their 'chamber of commerce' which is very proud
to toot the horn for all the wonderful happenings... in our
particular field of interest, the weight power plant.

But alas, either it is not happening now, or it is so well
hidden that no one has heard of it, or.... it has failed a test.

Incidentally the only mention when you type in "groningen
weight power plant" is this list!

My good friend in southern NL tells me he has never seen
this on the news or met anyone who has heard anything
about it, hence it would be a delight to have someone
report on this as an actual event.

Just because I fully support Hans is no reason to be belligerent
with me. Please note that we both say "the patent" won't
work... not the wheel won't work.

Just eyeball it...the power stroke can only be from 2:00 to
5:00, which is three (spaces on the clock face) where as the
returning weight has to travel through nine spaces. Where is
this free lunch coming from? I already pointed out that at 3:00
with a two to one ratio the outside weight (the driving power)
will lift nearly two left hand weights... but ONLY HALF the distance of the outside weight. So the left hand weight must
be made to travel two times its law of the lever distance!
where are you getting this input from?

Ron P

[Cloxxki]

True, between 2 and 5 is the only time on the right where a weight does work.
However, between 6 and 12, not all this time is work required from the 12-6 side. This obviously because of the bottom ramp. So, the work done 2-5 is not restricted. We see that in @Dusty's setup, when a weight reaches 5:00, the wheel has energy sored to give the weight at 9 a nice sling. It almost makes it over the top ramp. As the last 10% of a weight's straight vertical launch take up a huge part in weight, I feel that getting the top ramp right will be most essential at approximating a full revolution, and subsequently infinite next ones. In Abeling's/Dusty's sling, the basic principe attempted seems to be converting wheel inertia an a little bit of vertical momentum in the weight, into mainly horizontal momentum. The CF that come to play here should aid the weight in finding the end of the wheel's slot. The conversion seems to only have to manage just that. The intense sling in Dusty's machine may be "over the top" (pun intended), more than is necessary, and at the same time more than is possible. Well, that last part is a fact, but its cause may well have been in his wheel/weight/friction ratio, as long as we cannot determine whether the concept is faulty or not.

To calculate the "balance" in Abeling's wheel may be more than just taking a few sample positions and looking at weight balance. We really need to listen to Einstein, and take velocity into account.
If someone runs the calcs, perhaps suppose a really heavy wheel (to reach a fairly constant wheel speed), or an really powerful motor turning it. Track a weight all around the wheel, and tally up energy taken/given. This will be quite complicated, as at the top, the weight will be pushing the wheel, at an angle through the slot. Pushing an being pushed is alternated through a revolution, and for 6-8 or so, neither actually occurs. Harder to tell, but the same may be valid to some extent 11-12.
Last remark on position vs velocity and acceleration : there may be "bad" spots for the weight to find itself in, but at first glance, in Dusty's wheel the weights are spending awefully little TIME in these positions. If anything makes this wheel turn, it's being at the wrong place at the wrong time, for a very short time. And being in the right place, for as long as possible.

About that powerplant licence.
You should know that due to the increasing power costs over the past decades, farmers all over The Netherlands have bought/built windmills. The modern white ones, towering their garages. It came down to a cost saving for most, in the relatively short term. There were subsidies involved even, I think, as the government promotes renewable energy.
You know our country is quite flat, and the winds are always there. At times, the farmers saw overcapacity, which they were then able to sell to the power company. Some farmers actually net a power INCOME rather than having a power BILL. They naturaly take their windmills quite seriously, farming in The Netherlands is all but a sure thing for prosperity.
I can only assume that you'll need a licence to be allowed to sell power to the grid. I would not be surprised if Abeling's second or later proto managed to produce electricity conforming to the regulations. Part of his world presentation may be the negative use bills received from the power company, as a means of dramatic evidence.

[ruggero]

Hi all,

I do think that we overlook something here: The G-max at 06:00.

I'm not in to math and formula, so I have to ask somebody who know about this, to find the answer:

â€" At 06:00 the G-max force will have a push-down on the outside ramp (oval guide).
â€" We also experience at 06:00, that there is an enormous drag downwards on the wheel and its axle (slowing the wheel?)
â€" How does that influence on the friction and velocity (of the weight and on the wheel)?
â€" If we take away this additional G-max force, then how high could the weight roll?
â€" Is it possible to harness this additional force?

Perhaps this illustration of an experimental setup better explain what I'm talking about.

The 'Egg' curve is standing freely on the ground (able to tip).
Egg working like both as a lever and beam itself.

At the top left, the Egg curve rising will be catched, so the weight can continue rolling forward and up-hill on an incline plane.

How far will the weight roll up-hill?

Will we have an impact at the top left?
And how big?

ruggero