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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@mondrasek,

QuoteThere are two external constraints, not one.  There are the ramps.  And there are the slots.  The slots change the angle by which the force of the weights act on the wheel similarly to how the force of the weights changes due to their angles with the ramps.  This is easy to see as the weight can be in the long portion of the slots with one angle, or in the short ends of the slots that are at a different angle.

That’s incorrect. The slot is not an external constraint. This is the way the ball is fixed to the arm. The forces that fix the ball to the arm never participate in the calculation. It is immaterial whether the ball is glued to the arm or is placed in a small cup-like groove cut out in the arm, if there are no external constraints the torque will be calculated in the same way. The only external constraint in our case is the track and @eisenficker2000 has correctly accounted for it.

Omnibus

Quote from: rbe on May 14, 2009, 01:41:32 PM
Hi Guys,

Don't know if anyone posted this before,

http://mooieenergie.nl/index.php/en/home/3-gewichtenergiecentrale/9-nieuwsbrief-mei-2009

Nothing new really, unfortunately!

Cheers
rbe

The novelty is that it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that such devices are real. I;m not expecting anything from Abeling because he's entertaining the illusions that he can earn money from that. The answer should come about from a different avenue, through the established methods of scientific research, as we're doing here now. The first most important step has been achieved already -- the 'yes' or 'no' question about the reality of these devices is answered in the positive. What remains now, as I said it already, is to optimize the design and have it manufactured. This concept has been known for centuries, has probably been available a a working device but has been vigorously suppressed by the powers that be. Now, probably we're living in a slightly different situation, having the internet, and this time it may take over despite the huge control and official opposition to it.

mondrasek

Quote from: Omnibus on May 14, 2009, 01:49:36 PM
@mondrasek,

That’s incorrect. The slot is not an external constraint. This is the way the ball is fixed to the arm. The forces that fix the ball to the arm never participate in the calculation. It is immaterial whether the ball is glued to the arm or is placed in a small cup-like groove cut out in the arm, if there are no external constraints the torque will be calculated in the same way. The only external constraint in our case is the track and @eisenficker2000 has correctly accounted for it.

No, you are incorrect again.  The weights are not fix to the wheel in any locations except when dangling in the farthest end of the slot away from the axle.  In all other location the weights can move freely in the slots.  They are not fixed to the wheel.  They rest against it.  The angle of the surface that they rest against must be taken into account.

Do you believe the round masses in the attached picture are all causing the same amount of torque on the wheel?  The large rectangle represents the non moving guide.  The small rectangle represents the slot and is attached to the wheel.

Omnibus

@mondrasek,

Please take a look at the illustration below. It is not true that the calculation of torque in a) should be done differently than in b), as you imply. The mode of attachment of the ball to the arm makes no difference in calculating torque.

Omnibus

Quote from: mondrasek on May 14, 2009, 02:16:26 PM
No, you are incorrect again.  The weights are not fix to the wheel in any locations except when dangling in the farthest end of the slot away from the axle.  In all other location the weights can move freely in the slots.  They are not fixed to the wheel.  They rest against it.  The angle of the surface that they rest against must be taken into account.

Do you believe the round masses in the attached picture are all causing the same amount of torque on the wheel?  The large rectangle represents the non moving guide.  The small rectangle represents the slot and is attached to the wheel.

No, that's not the case. You're endowing the ball with additional structures which isn't the case. The ball is as given, no additional attachments and it is immaterial how it is attached to the arm to exert the particular force on the arm.