Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Omnibus]

@Cloxxki,

We're discussing  a wheel of the type Abeling has, not something else that you have in mind.

[stgpcm]

The CCW motion due to guides isn't possible because guides are not providers of driving force. @mondrasek at one point was having these ideas but they are wrong -- mass doesn't leak into the guides.

mass doesn't leak into them, but it they still cause CCW rotation.
It happens in the wheels simulated by the 2d software,
it happens in the wheels people built,
it happens in my calculations.

The only role of guides it to change the direction of the driving force derived from the ball and thus divert the ball from the natural path it would have under the action of the entire force derived from it. Therefore, the presence of guides is to diminish the value of the total force derived from the ball as well as change its direction of action. This, combined with the forced shortening of the corresponding arm inevitably leads to lower torque value.

If by lower you mean of greater magnitude I agree. but I suspect you don't.

All these considerations are in absence of friction. Presence of friction is variable and discussing its role comes only after the above is understood well.

absolutely. thowing mu-r around just increases the complexity, and is only an issue once you have identified an over unity device.

First thing to be understood is what is this construction which would ensure the greatest value of the net torque at every position of the wheel. That's the theoretical part of the engineering side of the project.

And it's vital that the torque is being calculated correctly. Hence this discussion. And that's why I want to see the calculations done on a simple model, so they don't have to be computer assisted, and hence opaque.

If done in the above way reaching the goals of the project will be achieved sooner and with less bumping into stone walls.

Absolutely.

So, are you going to be open about your calculation technique, by performing them on a simple example for those of us that want to understand your method? Or is an open source site the wrong place for you?

oh, I chose the 30 degree case because:
sin(30) = cos(60) = 1/2
sin(60) = cos(30) = SQRT(3/4)

[stgpcm]

@stgpcm,

That's for you to answer.

My answwer is there is no such place. you are the one that claims there is.

Put up, or shut up.

[Cloxxki]

@Cloxxki,

We're discussing  a wheel of the type Abeling has, not something else that you have in mind.

Your words confirm that you do not comprehend what you're being told.

Please will you both shut up and use your energy in a contructive manner? You are both too stubborn (or stupid) to win this fight.

[i_ron]

Please will you both shut up and use your energy in a contructive manner? You are both too stubborn (or stupid) to win this fight.

Please cloxxki, stgpcm is an intelligent contributing member.

His posts are honest and well thought out, based on a clear understanding of the wheel in the real world.

The abusive, abrasive, bulling attacks are from one source only, omnibus. These three lists are toast while this constant
harassment of contributing members is allowed to continue.

This list could be fun and constructive if individual members could post their ideas in comfort, free from ridicule and abuse. But as long as ONE member is allowed to make 75% of the posts and stomp down any member who might dare to violate the "master bully's" guide lines then this is exactly what you will see... chaos.

Ron

Edit: "to win this fight."
    ... explain to me, why should it be a fight?