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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Cloxxki

Quote from: Omnibus on May 30, 2009, 07:12:33 AM
@Cloxxki,

It isn't at all clear what that revolutionary proposal is. It should be quantified somewhat and not just be expressed as a murky idea.
Has Abeling closed the loop on a Trebuchet?

In Dar's drawing I'm seeing ramp-triggered counter-rotational movement, bringing the weight to a near stop near the axle while the wheel keeps on spinning. From that dead stop, a trebuchet kind of sling is initated.
The weight settling around the axle location allows the counter-weight to transfer to the wheel, in the form of building momentum. This intentional effect allow allows the bottom weight to lift itself to axle height (mostly or easily) by converting horizontal momentum at 5-6:00 into height, and do so in a very short time, like the weight bounced to a curb at 5:00 and fell into a pocket on the axle.
The counterweight 0-3:00 increases wheel speed, and 3-6:00 acts like the powering weight of the trebuchet. If I'm not mistaken, the trebuchet weight has some excess velocity when the slung weight is let go? Anyway, near the bottom of a wheel, vertical velocity can be given away as long as some horizontal velocity is left, it can always be converted back.


Omnibus

Quote from: Cloxxki on May 30, 2009, 07:49:20 AM
Has Abeling closed the loop on a Trebuchet?

In Dar's drawing I'm seeing ramp-triggered counter-rotational movement, bringing the weight to a near stop near the axle while the wheel keeps on spinning. From that dead stop, a trebuchet kind of sling is initated.
The weight settling around the axle location allows the counter-weight to transfer to the wheel, in the form of building momentum. This intentional effect allow allows the bottom weight to lift itself to axle height (mostly or easily) by converting horizontal momentum at 5-6:00 into height, and do so in a very short time, like the weight bounced to a curb at 5:00 and fell into a pocket on the axle.
The counterweight 0-3:00 increases wheel speed, and 3-6:00 acts like the powering weight of the trebuchet. If I'm not mistaken, the trebuchet weight has some excess velocity when the slung weight is let go? Anyway, near the bottom of a wheel, vertical velocity can be given away as long as some horizontal velocity is left, it can always be converted back.

That isn't convincing at all, just an impression without clear basis.

Cloxxki

Quote from: Omnibus on May 30, 2009, 08:05:14 AM
That isn't convincing at all, just an impression without clear basis.
I didn't mean to be convincing. I was indeed offering impressions, hoping to spark the minds of quicker thinkers than myself. Once I fully understand something, I can be convincing to the point of bringing grown men to cry. I'm quite a handful when in full understanding of the principles discussed. Rest assured, In science you won't see me that confident for quite some time. I aim to

Your dozens of times repeated claim of perpetual motion has yet to convince even the most open minded and most educated members of this forum. You're welcome to reply in your usual over-convinced flaw indicating manner, but for the sake of the goal at hand, I suggest you don't, but rather add to Dar's and others impressions, working towards something constrive and constructable.
I wish you good luck with the torque analysis of Dar's concept. I'm sure it will show a cruise ship worth of over-torque from a press papier sized wheel. Dar introduced what I understand as a center of rotation, the weight path being offset from the axle never resulted in anything but attempts proving the over-torque approach flawed. An inverted eccentric wheel, if you will.
Getting the center of mass offset from the center of rotation, that's a bit more tricky, and far more promising if someone would manage to show a drawing for it. With slots and offsets involved, the axle is but an enabler of rotation, no longer the one point to calculate from.

mondrasek

I do hope they fix the PM capabilities of this forum soon.

Very interesting ideas, Dar.  I look forward to seeing how they play out.

M.

0c

Quote from: Cloxxki on May 30, 2009, 09:04:18 AM
Getting the center of mass offset from the center of rotation, that's a bit more tricky,

It's only tricky if you intend to oppose gravity. You can offset the center of mass directly below the center of rotation without much difficulty at all. Problem is, it's hard to get gravity to do any work in that position.