Please, Please, look at this video!

[broli]

Now i have done some simple simulations.

I have simulated with 20 x 4 x 4cm iron bars. 2x2x4cm slide-magnets, and 5x5x4cm counterforce-magnets. I have use 4cm as depth in FEMM - depth must be constant for all magnets and parts simulated.

When the bars are closest, and the slide-magnets are closest, I have a counterforce-magnet force at 0,3N - the closest to zero i got unless i want to use 1 week to tune it perfectly.
The attraction force between the slide-magnets are now 52N.

When I move the slide-magnets 6 + 6 cm apart, and still have the bars closed, the repelling force between the slide-magnets and the bars are now -65N, which means they are attracting with 65N force. I think this has to do with the influence between the slide-magnets and the counterforce-magnets.

So then I take apart the bars 3cm away in both directions while the slide-magnets are still apart. Now the repelling force between the bars are 83N, an increased repelling force of 148N. There is no attraction between the slide-magnets (!!) - well it is somthing like 0.01N or so.

So then I push the slide-magnets together, while the bars are still apart. The repelling force between the bars do now increased from 83N to 104N. The attraction between the slide-magnets are at closest about 400N, an increase of 148N.

Something tells me that the net force in the system will be the force difference between the bars and between the slide-magnets. 148N - 148N = 0.

This is not an opinion, it is just results from a simulation. So please do not attack me personally

Vidar

Make pictures your text is making things confusing. But Vidar did you miss the whole point of this thread, namely the experiment? Magnets attract with way bigger force without bars, with bars he can use his little finger.

You are a very sneaky snake. You pretend to show interest in something and "help out" but you really are just trying to derail the whole thing.

[Low-Q]

Make pictures your text is making things confusing. But Vidar did you miss the whole point of this thread, namely the experiment? Magnets attract with way bigger force without bars, with bars he can use his little finger.

You are a very sneaky snake. You pretend to show interest in something and "help out" but you really are just trying to derail the whole thing.

Yes, I am Satan. I will preach theory that is all based on a frogs brain. I am the most stupid, and least visionary person in the world. I am a member of overunity.com only to annoy you and your claims - which is not even simulated. I have at least done that.

What Butch experiments with, does not automaticly show the whole picture. All positions must be tested and measured. That is for sure more easy in a simulation.

So look at my posts as a challenge to prove the opposite - it is not personally.

Vidar.

[chrisC]

Now i have done some simple simulations.

I have simulated with 20 x 4 x 4cm iron bars. 2x2x4cm slide-magnets, and 5x5x4cm counterforce-magnets. I have use 4cm as depth in FEMM - depth must be constant for all magnets and parts simulated.

When the bars are closest, and the slide-magnets are closest, I have a counterforce-magnet force at 0,3N - the closest to zero i got unless i want to use 1 week to tune it perfectly.
The attraction force between the slide-magnets are now 52N.

When I move the slide-magnets 6 + 6 cm apart, and still have the bars closed, the repelling force between the slide-magnets and the bars are now -65N, which means they are attracting with 65N force. I think this has to do with the influence between the slide-magnets and the counterforce-magnets.

So then I take apart the bars 3cm away in both directions while the slide-magnets are still apart. Now the repelling force between the bars are 83N, an increased repelling force of 148N. There is no attraction between the slide-magnets (!!) - well it is somthing like 0.01N or so.

So then I push the slide-magnets together, while the bars are still apart. The repelling force between the bars do now increased from 83N to 104N. The attraction between the slide-magnets are at closest about 400N, an increase of 148N.

Something tells me that the net force in the system will be the force difference between the bars and between the slide-magnets. 148N - 148N = 0.

This is not an opinion, it is just results from a simulation. So please do not attack me personally

Vidar

Hi Vidar:

Thank you for doing the simulation. For those without the benefit of the simulation software, can you please draw some simple diagrams and reference your findings so this can be better understood? It's a interesting subject and doesn't seemed so difficult to experimentally prove. What Butch showed should ideally be constructed viz Broli's gif simulation?

cheers
chrisC

[Low-Q]

Regarding my previous post with measurements, in the order as written in my previous post. Also the FEMM simulation is attached.

[broli]

Why do you even have the repelling magnets in your simulation. These are an external source and should not interact with the main magnets at all to exclude bullshit talk. And only have one moving magnet. Geez I have to do everything myself don't I?