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What does a "kick" look like on an oscilloscope?

Started by Grumpy, April 29, 2009, 09:51:01 AM

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IceStorm

@Grumpy

I think if you want to see a kick you should begin with the most simplistic setup, so Tube, build a simple amplifier with only one stage. SM pointed some reference when he talked about Kick so the "Kick" is not a hard thing too see, he stated too that a cold or hot tube make no difference, the kick happen when you open the switch and when you close it.

You need to know who are SM to understand what he is talking about. What he like the most is what he experiment the most and that should be your priority to focus on.

Another thing who is realy important to understand is HOW he found the principle of the TPU. Why he mixed some frequency, what was the first purpose of doing this. 3D sound audio system ? what mean intermodulation distortion to you ?

Best regards,
IceStorm

Edit : i forgot to add something that i think is realy important. Dont get confuse with the 5kHertz DC output SM talked, that dont mean the input is at 5kHertz at all , you can have a input signal of 120hertz and a output at 240hertz or 480hertz or etc etc and in the reverse too , 120hertz in , 60hertz out, frequency doubler/frequency divider. you can sum it too and substract them.

Bruce_TPU

Quote from: IceStorm on May 09, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
@Grumpy

I think if you want to see a kick you should begin with the most simplistic setup, so Tube, build a simple amplifier with only one stage. SM pointed some reference when he talked about Kick so the "Kick" is not a hard thing too see, he stated too that a cold or hot tube make no difference, the kick happen when you open the switch and when you close it.

You need to know who are SM to understand what he is talking about. What he like the most is what he experiment the most and that should be your priority to focus on.

Another thing who is realy important to understand is HOW he found the principle of the TPU. Why he mixed some frequency, what was the first purpose of doing this. 3D sound audio system ? what mean intermodulation distortion to you ?

Best regards,
IceStorm

Edit : i forgot to add something that i think is realy important. Dont get confuse with the 5kHertz DC output SM talked, that dont mean the input is at 5kHertz at all , you can have a input signal of 120hertz and a output at 240hertz or 480hertz or etc etc and in the reverse too , 120hertz in , 60hertz out, frequency doubler/frequency divider. you can sum it too and substract them.

The kick is every time electricity is in a wire.  It is sometimes filtered out, most of the time ignored.  It can only be seen with a Spectrum analyzer.  It grows in Amplitude with the bias.  It is harmonic distortion.  It is everywhere and in everything.

Google it.  Look at it.  Study it.  What causes it?  Hmmm... I wonder.  How can we use it....Hmmm... I wonder.  Gee, let's study it, then move on to photons, or magic pixie dust, or exploding black holes powering the TPU. 

Show them and they still don't believe it.  Right in from of their freakin' eyes. 

Pisses me off. 

Google second harmonic amplitude, harmonic generators, harmonic distortion, intermodulation, EM waves.  EM waves effects on harmonic distortion, white noise, etc.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Grumpy

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turbo

Here is one of the schematics i have been trying.  :)
It's a very simple setup and it involves the iron delay coil and a saturable reactor.
The switch speed of the mosfet >35ns is too slow and the duty cycle of the timing unit is horrible, it stays on too long causing the wasted energy to heat up the reactor not good.
I have tried to tweak it all a bit but it seems to be impossible and that is why i am designing and building a whole new circuit.
You want the initial pulse to be as short as possible and the delay has to be right too, and that is why i have put in the magnetic compression.
This setup is to see the kick ,it does not run in OU mode because the wasted heat and the methode of timing,discharging a cap into a resistor etc, are a all great loss.
Then wrap a copper and the delay coil put it on the output of the reactor and pulse it so you can see the initial pulse and the delayed pulse on the scope.
I'm still quite uncertain if the DC resistance of both coils has to be equal but i think so or at least i am using it that way.
Then when the delay is nicely, hook up a bifilar coil in series with the iron and the copper coil and scope both channels on a dual band scope.
Or use a trifilar coil and just hook up the extra winding to a one channel scope if you do not have a two channel.
The kick shows up on top of the second pulse due to the inductive kickback from the reactor dicharging through the copper and iron coils.
I will post the new circuit whenever it is finished.

Marco.


innovation_station

HERE ARE KICKS THOUSANDS AND THE MASSIVE 

CURRENT KICK ...  :P

I DID THIS SOME TIME AGO .... LOL

THIS IS DONE FROM A HALF DEAD AA BATTERY ....



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=068l0trm6TI&feature=related

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LOL

HOW BOUT 10 000 TIMES WILL THAT BE CONSIDERED PROOF ?!?!?!?! LOL


:D

IN THIS PICTURE SHOWEN BELOW IS MY ENTIRE CURCUIT THAT CAUSES THOUSANDS OF KICKS AND A BIG CURRENT KICK ...

;D

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