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Latest: No back torque generator.

Started by broli, May 01, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: BWS on May 15, 2009, 08:40:17 AM
Your reply is notable because you are taking an EE's point of view.  That is, you have probably been taught that induction can only occur only when there is a change (delta) in field strength on a charged particle.  This is the system used when working with oscillating fields and induction in coils, and it has no application to the uniform/steady field physics we are talking about here.  To see my point, take a strong look at cyclotrons.  In a cyclotron induction is definitely happening even though there is no change in field strength relative to the particle, but the moving particle must move perpendicularly through the steady field, and then induction can not be avoided.
-BWS

How could you have a tornado (electron) that is spinning, but the wind or force (magnetic field) is not moving with the spin of the tornado (electron), but is stationary? 
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

I think Yucca's experiment suggests the field or flux rotates with the magnet.  If the field was stationary, then the leads on the capacitor would have cut the lines of force and charged the capacitor.

The external circuit inducing the voltage by cutting the lines of force is disproven also since voltage is indicated with a rotating disk, stationary magnet, and stationary external circuit.  The stationary circuit can not induce a voltage if the magnet is stationary also since it doesn't cut the lines of force.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

lumen

QuoteThe external circuit inducing the voltage by cutting the lines of force is disproven also since voltage is indicated with a rotating disk, stationary magnet, and stationary external circuit.  The stationary circuit can not induce a voltage if the magnet is stationary also since it doesn't cut the lines of force.

This is true, but what about the case where the magnet and disk both rotate. Is this not the same as a stationary disk and magnet with only the contacts rotating?


broli

Quote from: lumen on May 15, 2009, 12:47:14 PM
This is true, but what about the case where the magnet and disk both rotate. Is this not the same as a stationary disk and magnet with only the contacts rotating?

Didn't we get over this already? When the outside circuit gets glued to the magnet as well, its mobile electrons will rotate and thus create a magnetic field. This magnetic field will interact with the magnet and cause a voltage. Incidentally this voltage gets canceled by the primary voltage that was created on the disk. So the net voltage is 0.

I don't like to keep talking in circles. We need to talk and experiment and then share the data.

gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on May 15, 2009, 12:47:14 PM
This is true, but what about the case where the magnet and disk both rotate. Is this not the same as a stationary disk and magnet with only the contacts rotating?

You are correct.  After more thought, assuming Yucca's experiment is not flawed somehow, disproves my CF theory when both rotate together, cause this should have induced a voltage.

It appears to me, that whatever is inducing the current and voltage varies with the different types of arrangements.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.