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Started by broli, May 01, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

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BWS

@gravityblock
The magnetic field does not rotate with the wind or particles in a tornado.  The magnetic field is just like an image from a lens, no matter how hard you try, you can not rotate the image by rotating the lens.  The water rotating in a tornado is induced to circulate by induction just as it does so going down a drain.  The motion of the particles does not move the B field, it only amplifies it, thus the tornado/hurricane can grow.  In the case of the spinning  capacitor, or any other inductor, no charging occurs because radial induction is happening in every conductor that is in motion.  To see the voltage, you must have brush at an inner radius and an outer radius.  There will be no current flow except for this differential.  You are correct to assume that the leads going to the apparatus will have no induction as they are not moving relative to the field.
  A somewhat frustrating mental experiment is realizing that there is a huge amount of induction going on everywhere around you due to our 1000 mph motion through the Earths magnetic field which is stationary.  There is a calculable voltage for every foot of elevation change, but when you close the loop, you are also inducing in the other side of the loop.  Accessing this voltage is further complicated by the breakdown of magnetic field shielding in this situation.  I have performed experiments using "mu" metal (magnetic field shields made from nickel alloy) rated at 20 times the field strength, but in this geometry the shield completely breaks down and induction still occurs inside it.  I am hesitant to write about this because the only explanation I can offer is that this is the point where the EM field acts like the gravitational field in that it completely pervades and affects everything.
-BWS

gravityblock

Quote from: broli on May 15, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Didn't we get over this already? When the outside circuit gets glued to the magnet as well, its mobile electrons will rotate and thus create a magnetic field. This magnetic field will interact with the magnet and cause a voltage. Incidentally this voltage gets canceled by the primary voltage that was created on the disk. So the net voltage is 0.

I don't like to keep talking in circles. We need to talk and experiment and then share the data.

I see your point.  Shielding the external circuit would allow the primary voltage that was created on the disk not to be canceled and Yucca's experiment isn't shielded?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: BWS on May 15, 2009, 12:57:45 PM
@gravityblock
The magnetic field does not rotate with the wind or particles in a tornado.  The magnetic field is just like an image from a lens, no matter how hard you try, you can not rotate the image by rotating the lens.  The water rotating in a tornado is induced to circulate by induction just as it does so going down a drain.  The motion of the particles does not move the B field, it only amplifies it, thus the tornado/hurricane can grow. 
-BWS

I never said the magnetic field rotated with the wind or particles in a tornado.  That is a total insult to my intelligence.  How could you even consider yourself to be that far above me.

I'll separate what I said for you:

How could you have a tornado that is spinning, but the wind is not moving with the spin of the tornado, but is stationary?

How could you have an electron that is spinning, but the force or magnetic field is not moving with the spin of the electron, but is stationary?

Also, the motion of the particles do not amply and allow the tornado or hurricane to grow.  In the case of a hurricane, the growth is due to warmer water clashing with cooler air.  In the case of a tornado, it is due to cooler and warmer air clashing with each other.

If the motion of the particles caused the cyclotrons to grow, then they would grow exponentially and consume the entire planet.  This is total nonsense.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

BWS

@gravityblock
well ok, please let me clarify:
Yes of course the wind is moving in a tornado, but the wind does not represent the magnetic field there, the wind is moving relative to (perpendicular to the B field causing it's induction/circulation) the B Field which is along the vertical axis of the tornado.
  In the case of the electron's motion, the circulation of the electron is caused by and does cause the B field, they are intrinsically coupled.  However, they can be somewhat separated as in the case of parallel current carrying wires, the B field expands and circulates around all the wires becoming a conglomerate field.  I can not tell you why a circulating electron produces a stationary field, only that it is fully experimentally provable.
  In the case of a tornado's growth; yes I admit that warm air, cold air and moisture are all necessary ingredients, but nothing in those 3 things alone explains the rotation nor the cohesion of a tornado.  Once the rotation has begun from those 3 elements and assuming there is an adequate amount of water to fall down the tornado, then the tornado will grow in diameter and velocity due to induction.  It is induction that is the cohesive force of the tornado.  The other elements will do nothing without the initiating rotation and there is no other mechanism that will explain how winds will reach 200 mph in a circle.  Remember that water is a highly polarized molecule even though it has no net charge.  Since water spins down a drain in opposite directions in opposite magnetic fields, this should be enough to validate that induction has everything to do with tornadoes and hurricanes.
-BWS

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