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Latest: No back torque generator.

Started by broli, May 01, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

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gravityblock

@BWS:

Option 1:
Two Halbach Array Cylinders would accomplish this without the radial field.  In fact the outside poles would be strengthened.  The field of the other pole would be on the inside.  No monopole, but will have the desired results without the radial field.  For more info on the Halbach, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array

Option 2:
If you only used enough carbon sheet(s) in order to dull the opposing fields, then you could glue or tape them together.  There is no need in using more than what is needed.

Also just for your information.  Your mu metal will fail as a shield unless both poles were going through it.  Then the mu metal would guide the fields away.  If you try to only shield one pole with mu metal, then that field will still go through the metal.  The field will be weaker, but it will cover a larger area.  There is no need in me spending $100,000 to know this.  I already know this from experience without that cost.  In fact, I have 2 short videos on youtube that demonstrates how the mu metal will work as a shield and how it won't.   

Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_81SxByRNR8 
Video 2:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFgMB5ezsE&NR=1

Option 3:
Secret!

I would suggest to build your prototypes on a smaller scale to lower your costs until you know the outcome.  Only a suggestion.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

BWS

@gravityblock,

Thanks for the links.  They are interesting.
I would note that the Halbach array has a north pole on one end and a south pole on the other.  Perhaps I'm visualizing its' rotation wrong, but if rotated along the central axis of the blocks, it does not have the same pole at opposite ends and since the field in the center is convoluted, it will produce a pulsing field to the fixed observer when rotated which will greatly diminish radial induction as a unipolar generator.  My speculation is that even if a Halbach array is made with the same pole at each end, it would fail as a homopolar/unipolar generator due to the pulsing/convolution of field in the middle; my experience is that the unipolar generator requires uniformity of field throughout.  However, it would be an interesting experiment to construct such a machine and test it for induction.  You would still need to saturate the ends with current in order to diminish LL losses.
  If I understand your videos correctly, you have 2 magnets attached to a piece of mu metal, then you reverse one of the magnets producing a change in the attraction of the screwdriver tip.  I speculate that when you have the same poles attracted to the mu metal you will get attraction to the screwdriver and when you have opposite poles attracted to the mu metal you do not have attraction to the screwdriver.  If I'm correct, then the attraction to the screwdriver is just the result of excessive field of a single polarity having to bleed off to the screwdriver, and when the poles are opposite, there is a balance of field traveling through but not escaping the mu metal.  Magnetic fields must have a return path or they diminish to zero.
-BWS

minde4000

Quote from: BWS on May 26, 2009, 09:17:36 AM
@gravityblock,

I apologize if I upset you, I had no such intentions.
My only intention here is to help to realize a successful machine which circumvents all or some of LL losses, and unfortunately my experience only seems to aggravate you.
  Here's the thing; there is no such thing as a magnetic monopole.  You can try all you want but the magnetic field needs a return path just like a circuit.  In my 1995 patent I use a steel plate to attract the 2 opposing fields (did you notice that?)  It really doesn't matter how you get the 2 opposing magnets together, you will reduce the field strength on the outer surfaces considerably, thus reducing voltage, and there is a bigger problem when you try to electrically connect the 2 circumferences of the discs; (this is harder to explain, so take your frustrations out on me if you need to)  when you put the fields together you produce a very strong radial magnetic field.  This radial magnetic field must then be crossed by your electrical connection around the perimeters of the 2 discs.  This now makes a drum shaped unipolar generator that will generate a counter productive voltage.  This can not be avoided or shielded.  I have this device and can show the productive voltage and the counter productive voltage on such a machine in the attached photo.  That machine has 2 opposing fields held together by a steel plate in the middle.  The inductive disks on either side are connected around the perimeter with pins that were shielded from the strong radial magnetic field (unavoidably produced by the opposing fields) by mu metal rated at 20 times the field there.  The shields completely failed to negate any of the counter productive voltage there.
  But don't take my word for it, spend your own $100,000.00 and find out for yourself.

-BWS

No such thing as magnetic monopole? You should read more about gravity then.

gravityblock

Quote from: BWS on May 26, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
@gravityblock,

Thanks for the links.  They are interesting.
I would note that the Halbach array has a north pole on one end and a south pole on the other.  Perhaps I'm visualizing its' rotation wrong, but if rotated along the central axis of the blocks, it does not have the same pole at opposite ends and since the field in the center is convoluted, it will produce a pulsing field to the fixed observer when rotated which will greatly diminish radial induction as a unipolar generator.  My speculation is that even if a Halbach array is made with the same pole at each end, it would fail as a homopolar/unipolar generator due to the pulsing/convolution of field in the middle; my experience is that the unipolar generator requires uniformity of field throughout.  However, it would be an interesting experiment to construct such a machine and test it for induction.  You would still need to saturate the ends with current in order to diminish LL losses.
  If I understand your videos correctly, you have 2 magnets attached to a piece of mu metal, then you reverse one of the magnets producing a change in the attraction of the screwdriver tip.  I speculate that when you have the same poles attracted to the mu metal you will get attraction to the screwdriver and when you have opposite poles attracted to the mu metal you do not have attraction to the screwdriver.  If I'm correct, then the attraction to the screwdriver is just the result of excessive field of a single polarity having to bleed off to the screwdriver, and when the poles are opposite, there is a balance of field traveling through but not escaping the mu metal.  Magnetic fields must have a return path or they diminish to zero.
-BWS

This is why I said to build two Halbach Arrays.  The Arrays would be glued together back to back.  Then you could have a very strong uniform field with like poles on each side without the radial field.  There are many ways to build your Array depending on where you want the field and where you don't want the field.

The screwdriver will still be attracted to the mu metal with just a single magnet attached to it.  In fact with a single magnet with the mu metal thickness doubled it still attracts to it.  It has nothing to do with an excessive field.  Opposite poles on the same side allow the field to return to the magnet along one side of the mu metal allowing the field not to exist on the other side of the metal, which is essentially guiding the field along a desired return path.  You can do this wrong or you can do this right.  This is the reason why your mu metal failed to confine the field in your patent.

I am at least thankful you take the time to actually read and study what I have written or suggested.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: minde4000 on May 26, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
No such thing as magnetic monopole? You should read more about gravity then.

Gravity could still have the same effect without having to be a monopole.

All atoms emit electromagnetic waves that propagates through space in a corkscrew (normal electromagnetic waves which we can detect) and helical motion (gravity waves which we can not detect).  These gravity waves cause other atoms to have the same spin, which causes a sucking motion or attraction towards each other.

If you compare the properties of electromagnetic waves to gravity, you will see a link between the two.

No need in discussing gravity here, since it's off topic.  I am telling myself this more than anyone else.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.