Closing the loop on Milkovic's two-stage mechanical oscillator?

[johnny874]

It's all about timing!

ruggero was real close, it's a shame no one thought of pushing the weight which is how they gain their inital force.

[ltseung888]

 

You should move the discussion on Milkovic's oscillator to the main topic, so that others can follow every new progress in one place
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.1380

@AnandAadhar

you should read these two papers published by Milkovic team on attempts to mechanically close the loop

Mechanical Feedback Loop Problems and Possible Solutions for the Two-Stage Oscillator of Veljko Milkovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Mechanical_Feedback_Loop.pdf

Keys of Understanding Gravity Machines of Veljko Milkovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf

I accidentally found this thread this morning. It looks like one of the experimenters working with Milkovic actually studied and commented on the Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy theory.

I believe that he missed a few important points:

1. In supplying 2 parts of horizontal energy to lead-out 1 part of vertical (graviational) energy, 3 parts of energy goes into the system. The 2 parts of horizonntal energy is not "converted" as heat or other forms. But if you stop supplying the horizontal energy, no more vertical energy will be lead-out or brought-in.

2. If we look at the youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

you will notice that the lifting of the weight only occurred at large angle of swing.  This is in line with our full analysis.  The experimenter failed to use this fact and used small angle of swing only.

3. The experimenter did not realize that we can effectively increase the gravitational force by using a magnetic pendulum with other permanent magnets placed appropriately.  Both the direction and magnitude of the "gravitational force" can be varied.  This is the key to the next stage.

4. The experimenter rightly agreed that an unbalanced wheel is equivalent to a pendulum but with the added advantage that the period of oscillation is not dependent on the length (but on speed of rotation).

5.  A "balanced" wheel when subjected to pulses and varying magnetic fields can lead-out the electromagnetic energy.  This is a follow-up consequence of leading-out gravitational energy.



I shall try to contact the experimenter directly and share some insights.

[ltseung888]

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I shall quote his comments and further discuss the points raised here.

[iacob alex]

      Hi  !
With a double oscillatory system ( Milkovic / lever - pendulum type ) it's questionable to " Close   the loop " / to obtain a continuous regular process .
Let's remind Galileo and his shorted pendulum , at :
www.thomasksimpson.com/dialectical_images/19.jpg
With  a double pendulum (if we replace a pendulum with a double pendulum...) , at :
http://blogs.mathworks.com/images/pick/doublependulum_animation.gif  , we can have some not consistent /irregular results , maybe...for a continuous erratic simple machine ?!
      Al_ex

[ltseung888]

 

Hi !
With a double oscillatory system ( Milkovic / lever - pendulum type ) it's questionable to " Close the loop " / to obtain a continuous regular process .
.....
Al_ex

2. If we look at the youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

you will notice that the lifting of the weight only occurred at large angle of swing. This is in line with our full analysis. The experimenter failed to use this fact and used small angle of swing only.

The Milkovic lever pendulum type pendulum as shown in the above quoted youtube video can be considered as having the following:
1.    A simple pendulum to accept input.
2.    A lever system to convert the swinging energy into lifting a weight.
3.    The lifting of the weight occurs only at large angle of swing.
4.    One push of the pendulum corresponds to twice lifting of the weight.
5.    The Output energy can be determined accurately by the total height of the weight times the mass of the weight times g. (The total potential energy or work done in lifting the weight.)
Output Energy = mgh
6.    The Input energy can be determined accurately by replacing the pendulum bob with a magnet with the S pole facing RHS.  A solenoid or electromagnet driven by pulsed direct current can be used to generate repulsion. There can be a sensor mechanism to determine the start of the pulse.  The pulse duration can be adjusted.  The Input Energy can be determined accurately via an oscilloscope via integrating the Voltage and Current of the Pulse.
7.    Note that the experiment must be done at large angles when the weight is actually lifted.

Most of the loopback attempts do NOT satisfy point 7.  Failure is expected.....

This particular experiment simplifies the overunity determination as it eliminates the losses and mechanical complications.
Some experimenters who already built similar devices can modify to test the above 7 points.

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