Stan Meyer Energy is Stolen from The Sun

[Farrah Day]

Newbie, yes I think that about sums up Quarky. And to be honest it's nothing less than I would have expected from him. Guess he's going to try to find a few suckers on another forum.

Seems to me he was hoping that we would simply accept him as having superior knowledge and intellect, before he asked us for $250 of our cash in order to learn the secrets.

He never did tell me how the ions reacted to form O2 and H2 without any current flow - guess that comes after the $250 payment, eh. A complete tosser really.

I like the bit where he says he's spent $100K on discovering the secret as if this gives him credibility. Now there's a nice round figure... I guess that justifies him asking for $250 

Will be watching the other forum with interest to see if there are any takers. I'm a member of that forum, but it's composed mainly of out-and-out and blinkered Meyer fanatics and has been stagnant for a good while now.

Alan

I don't know myself, Meyer said: By pumping in energy from the vacuum, or universal energy into the energy spectrum of the atom - this is the source of the atomic energy [or ionization energy]. Photons are a way to pump in vacuum energy, so is voltage, because they force the electron to be deflected to a higher energy orbit [... longer orbit -> increased electric stress on nucleus -> slowing down of gyroscopic movement -> opening of energy apertures -> EM vacuum energy to energy spectrum ..].
according to Stan. I do believe it.

I tend to start yawning if a sentence starts off, "Meyer said..", as he didn't really say much that was actually comprehendable.

It is common knowledge and well known science that photons will be absorbed by atoms and raise electrons to higher orbits (energy levels), but it takes an exact amount of energy to raise an electron to a higher energy level. Likewise photons are emitted by atoms if an electron drops to a lower energy level. This is accepted science.

Photons are a way to pump in vacuum energy

Come on, a photon itself carries energy, where does he get the vacuum energy part from. As usual he makes things more complicated than they really are in order to baffle people - classic Meyer gibberish.

[alan]

Hi again Farrah,
How does a photon deflect an electron to a higher energy orbit?
Energy is being converted, from photon to electron deflection, since they are not the same quality of energy, how?
Must be a complex mechanism, does science have an answer to this question?

Come on, a photon itself carries energy, where does he get the vacuum energy part from. As usual he makes things more complicated than they really are in order to baffle people - classic Meyer gibberish.

It does, and this amount of photon energy will be siphoned in from the vacuum through the proton into the energy spectrum [according to Meyer  ]

Why do atoms emit radiation when the electron drops to a lower energy state?
Because the charge is moving through the electric field of the proton, generating EM waves / photons?
If so, the other way around: are electrons pushed outward when interacting with the EM waves of the photon?

[Farrah Day]

It does, and this amount of photon energy will be siphoned in from the vacuum through the proton into the energy spectrum [according to Meyer   ]

Yes, according to Meyer (who was no scientist and did not use standard scientific terms)... and therein lies the problem.

Alan I know it might be difficult but do not take too literally anything that Meyer states, it will only create confusion. The science simply never adds up in Meyer's personal interpretation of things.

If an electron orbiting an atom drops to a lower energy level it emits a photon. This photon contains exactly the amount of energy (no more or no less) than is required. Vice-versa, to move an electron to a higher energy level, a photon of exactly the correct energy must be absorbed by the atom. A photon of more or less energy will not achieve this, it has to be exactly the right energy photon. Different atoms and different electron orbits required different amounts of energy to shift energy levels, so specific photons, carrying specific energy affect specific electron orbits. Different frequencies of EMR provide different photon energies - all photons do not carry the same amount of energy.

When an electron drops to a lower energy state, that surplus energy has to go somewhere, so the atom releases it as a photon.

So, certain EMR will have no effect whatsover on shifting electrons to higher levels. It has to be EMR carrying photons of exactly the correct energy level to be absorbed by any specific atom and so move an electron to a higher energy level.

Hope this helps.

[alan]

As per axioma, but does science also explain why it works this way or does it only explain the statistics a la quantum?
am eager to learn this

the reason must be of electromagnetic origin

[Farrah Day]

As per axioma, but does science also explain why it works this way or does it only explain the statistics a la quantum?
am eager to learn this

the reason must be of electromagnetic origin

A quantum of radiation is emitted when an electron makes a transition (or jump) from a higher energy level orbit to a lower one. This radiation will be in the form of a photon at a specific frequency. As electrons energies are restricted to discrete levels, transitions will only occur by the absorbtion or emission of photons of the correct energy (frequency).

Required reading would be the works of Niels Bohr. Much has been discovered and many theories proven over the years, but there are many things that still remain unknown (or disputed), and the deeper you dig the more patchy things get. However, a lot is known and accepted in quantum physics with reference to electron energy levels within atoms.

I'm not sure how much more I can proffer at this level; the science is out there and available to study, but it can get very heavy reading from this point on. Besides, you don't want to learn from myself or anyone else around here - if you really want those answers get them from a reliable and trusted source and save yourself from the headaches of misinfo.

One thing I'm sure of though: There will always be questions you can ask that scientists do not yet know the answer to.