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Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

Started by TinselKoala, June 06, 2009, 02:06:20 PM

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IronShell3d

Hi Chef,

Suggest you read:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7542.0

This is the ONLY energy source that can run a magnetic motor. Any YES it can be tapped but like burning any stored solar energy source, at a cost of the fuel sources altered atomic structure as the energy is drained off, turned into work and then heat.

So no OU, just tapping unconventional energy sources. Well not that unconventional as ALL the energy sources we currently tap originated in the sun and before that in the Big Bang.

IronShell3d

IronShell3d

Quote from: TinselKoala on June 06, 2009, 02:06:20 PM
Where will the energy come from, to run a Permanent Magnet Motor?
Now, the orbital and spin motions of electrons in the atoms are pretty much beyond our influence under the conditions any of us are likely to be able to achieve in our garages or basement kitchens. We aren't going to be able to access whatever energy it might be that keeps an electron spinning, or moving around in the unpaired orbital --- except, say, by chemical means: the ferrous ion has different magnetic properties than the ferric ion, due to different electron  pairing,  for example ---

Hi TK,

Amazing statement. Have you read my thread?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7542.0

If not please do, so I don't need to repeat myself.

Nothing fancy here. Just energy stored in the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons of every Iron atom that were created in the belly of our young sun a LONG TIME AGO. When those Iron atoms move from a random alignment to aligned, nature gives us what we need to grab some of what was stored there a LONG TIME AGO.

We tap stored atomic level hydrocarbon solar energy, we tap stored atomic level nuclear solar energy, we tap stored atomic level chemical energy and we tap stored atomic level Iron atom shell 3d electron energy. Doing so changes the storage mechanism (the atoms structure) as there are no free lunches in the energy world.

Tapping the shell 3d energy is not so obvious but it happens if you sit and think about the step by step energy flows as I have detailed. Read my thread.

IronShell3d

Liberty

Quote from: TinselKoala on June 06, 2009, 02:06:20 PM
Where will the energy come from, to run a Permanent Magnet Motor?

...
Where does magnetism come from in the first place?
Well, it's a big mystery, but we do know this: all magnetic fields seem to be produced by moving electric charges.
And fundamentally, the electrons in their orbital shells and orbits are the moving charges that give materials (atoms) their magnetic properties. So electrons whirl around in their orbits (creating magnetic fields) and they also spin (creating magnetic fields.) The orbits and spins have definite orientations, and so do the fields they create...

How about a hypothesis?  The hypothesis is that the electrons that whirl and so on, collect a static electric charge with their motion and travel path, and also maintain the electron charge up to a particular point like a capacitor that is fully charged?  Then the electron would emit a magnetic field as a result of this charge that is in proportion to the charge and motion.  This explanation might help us understand how a magnet can provide a supply of energy that does not deplete.  Just my hypothesis.   
Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

IronShell3d

Hi Liberty,

Why is it so hard to accept that when we tap the stored energy of the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons that this action will cause a change in the atomic structure of the Iron atom?

I mean when we tap stored hydrocarbon energy, the storage system (the hydrocarbon) changes as a result.

Likewise when we tap the stored nuclear reactor fuel rod energy, the storage system (the atoms in the fuel rod) changes as a result.

So why is it we somehow need to believe the Iron atom will not change as we tap the stored energy of the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons?

Just accept there will be a change in the Iron atom and get on with finding the best way to extract the energy that was put there by the fusion furnace in the belly of our sun a long time ago.

IronShell3d

IronShell3d

Hi Liberty,

BTW a magnetic field is not a energy source. It is just an energy conductor / energy transfer system.

Likewise a pair of copper wires are not a energy source and are just an energy conductor / energy transfer system.

IronShell3d