Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

[TinselKoala]

@ironshell:
I've read your thread and your comments, never fear about that. I believe that you are wrong about many the things you conjecture. You may be right about some things. But I suggest you review the history of the mathematical physics of the B and H "fields". You may see that there are some inconsistencies in your view of things, that don't quite jive with the standard definitions. And unless you can come up with some references to peer reviewed work that supports your contentions, they will just have to remain that: conjectures and contentions. Not, as you have tried to present them, as proven facts.

And you have yet to explain how the energy in iron's electron orbitals (from, you say, stellar processes, hence actually from gravitation, hence actually from the original separation caused by the big bang...) can be extracted from the iron, without changing the iron into something else.

[lumen]

It may be possible to draw from the earths field.

[lostcauses10x]

LOL I have decided the best answer is MR HAND.

[lumen]

LOL I have decided the best answer is MR HAND.

I'm sure MR HAND may be working out for you, but I believe my goals are probably different.

[IronShell3d]

And you have yet to explain how the energy in iron's electron orbitals (from, you say, stellar processes, hence actually from gravitation, hence actually from the original separation caused by the big bang...) can be extracted from the iron, without changing the iron into something else.

Hi TK,

Correct, the spin and momentum stored in the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons originally got that energy from the big bang via up conversion from hydrogen in the fusion furnace of our young suns belly a very long time ago.

I actually do say the Iron will change as the energy is tapped just as hydrocarbons change and nuclear fuel rods change. Where did you read that I said the Iron atom would not change?

As for the energy, where do you suggest the energy comes from when a magnet causes domain alignment in a nearby ferrite? And here I mean the energy needed to overcome the frictional losses inside the ferrite as the domains rotate from random into alignment with the magnets external magnetic field.

I use terms as used by the magnet industry:

http://www.magnetsales.com/Design/DesignG.htm

Flux Density: B, gauss, tesla
Magnetizing Force: H, oersted, ampere turns/m

Here is another:

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp

Permeability (µ) - The ratio of the magnetic induction of a material to the magnetizing force producing it (B/H).

Magnetizing Force (H) - The magnetomotive force per unit of magnet length, measured in Oersteds (C.G.S.) or ampere-turns per meter (S.I).

Magnetic Induction (B) - The magnetic field induced by a field strength, H, at a given point.

B = H x Permeability of the ferrite. So the magnets H field causes domain alignment in the ferrite and the final B field of the ferrite is dependent on both it's permeability and on the strength of the aligning H field from the magnet.

Bottom line is: Tap any energy source and you pay for the use by causing the source to change. No Free Lunches.

IronShell3d