Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

[IronShell3d]

IronShell3d,

This question:

Are you saying the heat generated from hysteresis loss in magnets  is sort of like (an unconventional energy source)  that can be extracted from iron? 


And this question:

Where do you think the energy will come from? (afaik, the only energy obtainable from the big bang on earth is nuclear)

Hi NewBie123,

ALL the energy we use comes from the sun, either in real time or from processes that took place a long time ago.

Burning Hydrocarbons (gas, liquid or solid) is using solar energy stored in their molecular structures a long time ago.

The earth itself is the result of the heavy elements that were created in the suns fusion furnace and blown out when the sun went Nova to form the planets. All the atoms other than Hydrogen were formed that way unless you know of currently ongoing Earthly fusion or fission processes?

So ALL the energy sources that we currently tap can be traced back to the sun and then back to the Big Bang.

As for the ability of a magnet to cause domain alignment in a nearby ferrite and thus to overcome the hysteresis losses involved is very clear. That is how it works.

As we know the source of the magnets H field (magnetising field) we know that the energy source that caused the electrons to move will supply that energy just as would happen if we used a solenoid and power supply to supply the H field.

IronShell3d

[newbie123]

So ALL the energy sources that we currently tap can be traced back to the sun and then back to the Big Bang.

Most heavier elements were created at the time of the big bang but not really by our sun.

As for the ability of a magnet to cause domain alignment in a nearby ferrite and thus to overcome the hysteresis losses involved is very clear. That is how it works.

Ok.

As we know the source of the magnets H field (magnetising field) we know that the energy source that caused the electrons to move will supply that energy just as would happen if we used a solenoid and power supply to supply the H field.

IronShell3d

Ok.  So we agree there is no way for a self running magnet motor to work.

[nueview]

Hi all
i have been following this post for some time and think it is a really good idea to discuss this for many reasons.
electrostatics produce the same field lines and with more than just iron fileings.
magnets can be destroyed with heat but i have seen some go through a smelter and retain there properties while others for the most part are destroyed. what makes this one different from all the rest about 1 in 50 heated to about 2000 degrees.
there are cooling processes that use magnets to stabilize domains for removal of heat.
ultra violet reduces electrostatic effect as well
static wires in static magnetic fields produce no effect so the question remains is there energy input to a magnet at all or is it merely a state of organization loadstone is Fe3O3 so how does it become magnetic of itself.
if there are two energies present at all points all the time then it would be possible to explain some of these occurances as ratio difference of one energy against the other such as reactive power to actual power but we have little proof that this is the case.

[allcanadian]

@newbie123
Quote:
"Most heavier elements were created at the time of the big bang but not really by our sun."
LOL, you sound like one of those personality types that likes to state everything they have read in a textbook as absolute fact. I have found modern science to be more like a form of religion than what it was in the early 1900's when the likes of Faraday,Maxwell and Tesla were still around. Maybe you should ask yourself why in this modern age of science our cars are only 15% effeicient, why nuclear power is less than 10% efficient, why over 50% of most all generated electricity never performs actual "worK" for the consumer, LOL, modern science would seem to be a contradiction in terms. As for the Big Bang and an expanding universe, it is only a "theory" based on less than a couple hundred years of observation, considering the universe is stated as being Billions of Billions of years old I hardly think this qualifies as fact.

@All
I think to understand where the energy could come from in a magnet motor first you should understand "what" magnetism is. It's funny that many educated people know some of the "effects" related to magnetism as science is the study and observation of effects, but in all my years I have only met a few people who can actually tell me what magnetism is fundamentally---not what it does, what it "IS".
Here are some clues---
--Faraday stated that to induce a current in a conductor, a magnetic field  or conductor must move relative to one another. There is however a homopolar generator in which the magnet moves with the conductor thus there is "NO" relative motion between them and yet a strong current is generated in the conductor. This should tell you that the magnetic field is not a property of the magnet, it is a property of the "space" surrounding a magnet because the field remains stationary in space. Is the energy "IN" the magnet or is it "IN" the field?
--Magnetic fields are expansive, that is they will form closed loops external to the source which produced them. If the magnetic poles attacted one another then why is the field external and not inside the magnet? As well the magnetic field produced is a function of surface area exactly like an electric field, both following the inverse square law. If a magnet is built with a very large south pole and a very small north pole then the smaller north pole would seem to be stronger but both are equal, only the surface area thus density of field have changed.

The reason most people cannot understand how to build a permanent magnet motor is because they do not understand "what" magnetism is,or electricity or gravity. How could you possibly build something that you do not make an effort to understand fully. Worse are the fools who say it cannot be done because they honestly believe that if they cannot do it then nobody can, the human ego at work.
Regards
AC

[ramset]

AC
Why do magnets have a north and south pole?
Why is there a dead spot in between?
No matter how many you stick together, the strength remains the same?
Magnets can SHIELD themselves?

AC you make a lot of seance

Chet