Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

[newbie123]

@newbie123
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"Most heavier elements were created at the time of the big bang but not really by our sun."
LOL, you sound like one of those personality types that likes to state everything they have read in a textbook as absolute fact. I have found modern science to be more like a form of religion than what it was in the early 1900's when the likes of Faraday,Maxwell and Tesla were still around.

This is always a funny/ironic  argument coming from the true FE believers.

It is true some real scientists can be very closed minded with regard to new ideas and concepts (LENR/CF  is a good example of this), and they will sometimes follow each other like sheep and even refuse to consider experimental evidence...   But the majority aren't this closed minded, but they're all skeptical of extraordinary claims (which is a good thing).



Here is an example of a very open minded physicist  (and nobel laureate).     In his intro he talks about CF, but he also researches the "mind over matter" type aspects of quantum physics.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5994673126675909042



Saying "science is like a religion"  is pretty much ridiculous, because everything you believe WRT "Free energy"  is faith based, imo...  Everything scientists believe WRT "Free energy"  is science based...  By "science based" i mean experimentally proven again and again...   Do you have any experimental evidence for "Free energy"?  Has it been widely replicated and verified?


Btw,  even one instance of a "Free energy" device (if it exists) isn't proof, because  people do make mistakes...    lots of verifications/replications = acceptance.

Theories such as the "Big bang"   are just that...  Theories.   But so far the big bang theory  (which is evolving as we speak) is the best theory with the most supportive scientific EVIDENCE, and DATA.

[TinselKoala]

The only things created in the big bang were EM radiation, protons, electrons, and maybe alpha particles. Some condensed into hydrogen and helium gas, which later condensed into the first stars. In these first stars the hydrogen and helium could, under the pressure caused by gravity, fuse into heavier nuclei--all the way up to iron. Hence ironshell3d's position.
These stars, some of them, eventually collapsed further and went supernova. This spread all those elements up through iron into interstellar space. Some of this matter condensed into a new generation of stars. In these stars, sometimes they went through a further collapse and explosion (supernovae) that created, again by gravitational pressure, all the nuclei heavier than iron. These stars too blew up and scattered their elements in space. Sol, the Earth's sun, was condensed from these gases and dust which have already been through at least two cycles of condensation and nova explosion.
All the energy comes from gravitation--that is, the initial explosion of the big bang spread all the stuff apart--imparting gravitational potential energy, which is negative-- and clumps of it fall back together as stars, galaxies, and etc. whereupon gravity does work on the stuff.

[nueview]

Hi All
i once read a book by carl seagan and it really opened my eyes to some of the debate that goes on over this subject and about the big bang theory and the fact that at a certain point in a millionth of a second all the matter of this universe came into existance but at some point less than that there was nothing no wave theory no gravity no charge no anything yet something started all this from some form of steady state to an imbalance through which all came into existance.
within us is this bazarre truth as doctors have never removed any part of the human brain that removes the personnel intent of the individual so as to say that our bodies are merely clothes we ware and not we our selves which is the aspect of quantum physics you can look at the matter with an electron microscope or you can watch the energy but you can't watch both.
one would then think that all this is just an illusuion we play in and delude ourselves too and since these points are not yet discovered by science they are not allowed to be fact only religion yet the evidence seems to remain that this is what we are attempting to prove correct.
Newton developed the fundamentals of gravity using electrostatics which governed the attraction of bodies in relation to speed and distance this has had further additions in that changing the charge on a body alters its attractive force making gravity stronger these things were discovered by volta and expanded on by faraday as charges were put in motion it is interesting that a charge wants to collapse to nothing while voltage tension wants to expand and a magnet cannot exist with out current motion charge allone is not enough as related to in maxwell's theories iluding to an alter energy state which we often term as reactive power it is interesting that an expanding universe can only exist when charge states are equal in all other states energy attracts to density this is caused by any imbalance bonding to form matter as reactive states causing its influence to spread if we only work from the state of mind of matter without reactance then we will always be at odds with energy we try to manipulate and low efficiencies will be the best we can hope for.
I could go on for hours citing examples that contridict main stream science and that is only because people do not grasp the basic begining principles on which it was built and it is worked by control of what we need to know which isn't much according to some people but i do not believe this to be so as we can learn as much as we want but imparting what we have learned to others is about how much they are willing to accept.
all matter seems to exist along the bloch wall plain it is formed by spins relative and disparent such as those of copper and iron when uniform and aligned they attract and condence when contrary they repell and can be brought to generate heat which moves as conductive and reactive by infrared wave all heat seems to be relative to 642 ohms per circular mill being a ratio of charge to tension area yet this fact is little understood.
Martin

[allcanadian]

@newbie123
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"Anyway,   you saying "science is like a religion"  is pretty much ridiculous, because everything you believe WRT "Free energy"  is faith based...  Everything scientists believe WRT "Free energy"  is science based...  By "science based" i mean experimentally proven again and again...   Do you have any experimental evidence for "Free energy"? 

I don't need faith to believe in free energy(Wind,Wave,Hydro,Solar,EM ect...), energy is force producing motion, we are surrounded by forces and motion on both the subatomic and astronomical scales. To say we can never harness other forms of energy in a new way seems counter-productive. The main misconseption is that free energy is not free, they say there is materials and labor involved to harness free energy so it is not free but the energy that drives the machinery is free irregardless of the energy required to produce a machine to harness it. So this is nothing more than a play on words to confuse the weak minded, the energy that drives the machinery is free. A crystal radio is a good example of free energy, some mysterious invisible force sets the speaker in motion, LOL, But again there is the nonsensical arguement that a radio station is required to set the speaker in motion. Hmmm I wonder what all that noise is inbetween the radio stations, you know on all bands where no stations broadcast? that can charge a capacitor or light LED's from the output of the crystal radio. There is also the misconception that a requirement of free energy must be that it is useful, If I have a small crystal radio not on or near any populated band that flashes an LED once every couple seconds is this free energy? --- even if the device seems absolutely pointless? Of course it is, so why is there such hostilty and labelling and namecalling directed towards people who just want to find a cheaper/better way of doing things?. I am absolutely sure that what many people call impossible has a valid scientific explanation. As far as the scientists and the governments are concerned regarding free energy, I think there are very many good people who are placed in bad situations, as many of us are sometimes. I think these new technologies will start to appear for no other reason than they are needed and the time is right like no other time in history.
Regards
AC

[newbie123]

I don't need faith to believe in free energy(Wind,Wave,Hydro,Solar,EM ect...), energy is force producing motion

AC,  I think you know what I meant by "Free energy"   .. gravity wheels,  Mylow-type magnet motors,  "special"  circuits, pyramids, etc  ..  Not known renewable source.

we are surrounded by forces and motion on both the subatomic and astronomical scales. To say we can never harness other forms of energy in a new way seems counter-productive.

This is where the delusions reside (not you personally but some folks  around here)

What OTHER forms of energy can we possibly harness?   We have nuclear...  Which is the most promising,  but we're far from mastering...  zero-point energy (at 0 kelvin),   We have vacuum energy,  cosmic microwave background radiation, cosmic  rays sometimes (but their energy rarely reaches us)...
Most of these sources have been shown to be insignificant...       They can make a neat experiment sometimes, but they're just not practical as a useful energy source.