Do we need Free Energy at all ?

[ResinRat2]

Stephen Hawking made the case for the human race to be a two planet species; the idea that not all our eggs are on one planet, and we could better survive. The most obvious first step would be the Terra-Forming of Mars.

I see humans expanding ever outward from our home planet, not just a two-planet species, but a universal species. To me, free energy would give us the unlimited energy to accomplish this task. Instead of limiting our energy use and population growth, we need to expand them. The universe is vast, plenty of room to grow into. We just need to focus that as our vision for the future and use our research to accomplish it.

I think people who think we are limited to this planet are too narrow-minded. This Doom mentality is a dead end. They need to have some confidence in our own ability to solve problems when we vigorously set our minds to solving them.

Stand-up, move forward, or get out the way!

[also antlike]

Every person is given free choice and free will.  Do as you please, speak as you please, give your opinions.....but I will do the same.

But you are not merely giving opinions.  You are telling us what is sinful.  So you are passing morality and advocating what is wrong and what is right.  And you are doing it based on the flimsiest of evidences - your spiritual feelings about some imaginary voodoo person in the sky.

So I am telling you to take your superstitions and stuff them.  And yes this is slightly off topic, but when you start talking about sin and immorality and telling others what not to do, you have to expect someone to take an issue.

[PhiScience]

To all,

  There should be no place in real scientific effort for dogma, for where there is dogma, there is little freedom for inquiry, and when free inquiry is stifled there is much error in the secrecy that stifles it.
 
  Today, we quite accept all the comforts and luxuries that electrical energy, and its mechanical devices, have made possible for us to enjoy.

We seldom, if ever, give a thought to the fact that behind all these comforts we take for granted lies some seven generations of effort by men whose purpose in life was to bring these achievements to hundreds of millions yet unborn.

  For all those men and women of a future day, there are those among us today who are laboring toward other advances that will assist them to more abundant living.

Of one thing you may be certain; there is a continuous chain of improvement over the ages, and it is my wish that you, too, enter into this spirit of evolutionary progress toward greater and more abundant enlightenment in your time, for in this vibrating world all things can be reconciled.

Wayne

[gravityblock]

But you are not merely giving opinions.  You are telling us what is sinful.  So you are passing morality and advocating what is wrong and what is right.  And you are doing it based on the flimsiest of evidences - your spiritual feelings about some imaginary voodoo person in the sky.

So I am telling you to take your superstitions and stuff them.  And yes this is slightly off topic, but when you start talking about sin and immorality and telling others what not to do, you have to expect someone to take an issue.

I never told you or anyone else what to do or not to do.  I said, "Do as you please".

Prior to this I mentioned what the consequences of our actions are.  Those consequences are very real regardless if they are a sin, immoral, right or wrong.  We have to live with the consequences of the collective destructive behavior of all, (an infestation and cancer to the planet and all of society). Weather they are right or wrong according to different standards or belief systems is irrelevant, but the negative consequences of the collective behavior of all is very relevant to our present day problems.

If you have an issue with what I have said and it is off-topic, then please send me a private message and keep it off the public forum.

Thank you,

GB

[jibbguy]

The problem with many of the technologies we study here being accepted and implemented by the mainstream are not "scientific" in nature at all.

They are "Political".

Meaning that a sector of society, the sector currently holding all the power, does not want them implemented.

So where is the proof of this? ... The most damning evidence is that despite good indications of their viability, these technologies are very rarely studied by the mainstream openly. There just are no known University studies being done on them. If there were, and if they debunked these techologies... We would have heard about them long ago (i feel pity for the F-E skeptics who are given ABSOLUTELY no help from their masters in this regard, hehehe).

But they CAN'T be debunked by peer-reviewed studies; and so are ignored and suppressed instead.

But unfortunately for them, by definition, these "suppressions" cannot be hidden. By their very existence, they help prove the validity of the technologies that are suppressed. This is their "Achilles Heel": And eventually will be one of the ways they are caught and prosecuted for their Crimes Against Humanity some day in the future once their power base built on their monopoly over energy is destroyed.... "Fortune 500" Corporate leaders being frog-walked into Court will make great "You-Tubes" to show in the background as we drink champaign, party OAO, and celebrate their downfall. 

Some would then say regarding these suppressions (...Only after being forced to admit they exist, lol): "This is for our own good!"

Lol what a crock, like these people actually KNOW that for sure. They do not, and that is one of the only CERTAIN things here . If someone here still has visions of the people running our society as "Benevolent" and "Altruistic" then they should do considerably more study to what is actually happening on this planet (i recommend using independent internet news sources). "Benevolent" people do not start and perpetuate Wars of Aggression based on well-known lies that kill over 1 million innocent civilians. I could go on and on with examples of their evil fracking selfishness and evidence of their murder, torture, treason, and deliberate destruction of our eco-systems... But in the interest of brevity, we can continue  

Then some would say regarding the particulars of a F-E technology: "It's too dangerous!"

Another of my "fav's".... Like using "nuclear fission" as a preferred method of energy production is about as harmless as mixing vinegar and baking soda . Like playing with the genetic makeup of grain (when there is NO way of knowing if it if will be highly dangerous or not), and then forcing this grain onto the world with strong-arm tactics is "harmless". Like allowing the ocean's fisheries to be entirely depleted so it will take hundreds of years of NO COMMERCIAL FISHING AT ALL to bring them back (...if ever), is "OK".  Like ignoring the melting of the glaciers, and the melting of the polar ice cap, wishing it all away with denials based on nothing in the face of irrefutable facts... Then when inevitably proved wrong, saying there is nothing to be done about it anyway, so: "We shouldn't worry"... LOL acting exactly like petulant, selfish children trying to get their way no matter what. 

... Then when that fear-based argument against the technologies are utterly blown away (like with devices regarding magnetism or hydroxy for example),  they pull out the next "Danger Will Robinson!!" argument trying to scare us into obedience... That they would: "Ruin the economy" .

Lol what a load of horse dung. It would certainly ruin the day for monopolies, illegal Trusts, and international cartels that actually run the world... THAT IS A GOOD THING!! . It would create a vast boon in manufacturing, which is BY FAR the best way to lift up an economy. But it would do so on a world-wide basis: We can't have that lol, that means economies would not be under their direct control any more.. That independent entrepreneurs would drive it with TRUE free market capitalism, not the phony version of corporate feudalism and with market speculation little better than degenerate gambling, that only benefits THEM as we all now suffer under. It means that instead of the Middle Classes being destroyed and pushed back into serfdom and economic slavery to the international banks and their puppets; we would all finally have the opportunity to grow world-wide along with the general levels of prosperity, public education, and enlightenment... While simultaneously cleaning up the environment and ensuring our grandchildren actually HAVE a viable planet to live on. 

Then there is the third scare tactic: "You had better not try to do this! They will get you!!"

Lol we are not scared of boogie-men. None of these weasels could intimate me or most of us here if they lived a hundred years and actually grew a set.... Vague threats of possible personal danger sound utterly ridiculous, and really are enlightening to others as to the actual motives of those making them. BRING IT ON. I and many others i know would LOVE a documented example to publicise... It would prove our points faster, cheaper, and like nothing else

But it is important to remember; these are all just scare tactics, subliminal messages of fear and anxiety aimed at dissuading the timid; from stopping the otherwise unstoppable model of Open Source. The people behind them are just "ghosts": They can't hurt you unless you believe in them.

Now some others are saying: "Oh yeah free energy would be OK but it won't solve anything".

It will certainly solve a great deal. And that is the point of this thread, as well as the full-push campaign seen here and other places recently to discredit anything and everything associated with these technologies.  Well i say frack the naysayers; although it is very important to note, there is much good in LEGITIMATE skepticism done by those concerned for Truth: The difference is in CONTENT. It can't be taught, it can't be easily described... But those who are not legitimate and sincere in their actual intent soon become painfully obvious to the rest of us. 

It's time some people realize that no matter what they do, it's gonna happen anyway so they had better get used to it   Free Energy is coming, it's coming fast, and its going to change the world forever. Remember the LENR / Cold Fusion disclosure after 20 years of silly denial? Get used to it, it's gonna happen over and over...

So don't be caught out in the cold with a severe draft up yer backsides; suddenly left holding the bag like the LENR knee-jerking deniers were: Their butts are still sore

Someone said i "should re-think this"... Well i have, thanks for the advice. And my conclusions are above. If you have any specific points to debate i am usually happy to oblige, time permitting.

Oh yeah, my standard Disclaimer hehe: None of the above is aimed at anyone specifically here. I can't look into people's hearts; and it's a fact that plenty of good peeps have disagreed with me from time to time I have no problem with that. It is those who lie, who sell fear, who try to manipulate others for their hidden purposes that i certainly DO have a problem with.