Do we need Free Energy at all ?

[jane36d]

444,
Get real, to suggest that eltromagnagic waves are worse than the benefits we get from electricity is crazy.

[jibbguy]

There is little possibility of such "problems" as suggested.

What could be worse than continuing to pollute the atmosphere, sea, and land with fossil fuels; and the dangerous and dirty mining practices used to get them...? To the point where the planet cannot come back from the damage and thermal run-away turns most of the world into a wasteland and the rising oceans flood the homes of over 50% of the planet's human population.... Completely destroying the seas' ecosystems with the worst pollution ever imagined, as the waters covers the coastal cities?

This can happen, and will eventually, if something is not done to stop these bastards that insist on us using as much fossil fuels as humanly possible, for as long as they can get away with it.

Home power generation means we all think independently, and take personal responsibility for our power use. I know many peeps who "Live off DC", here in the Florida Keys on their boats and on out-islands. I've helped them design and install combined solar, wind, and gen-set systems. The sun and wind are plentiful here; often enough to run an efficient small fridge/freezer as well as computers, TV's, DVD players, stereos, and lights. These people have come to carefully understand and balance their personal energy usage; in a way that "on grid" people rarely do.  But such systems COST a lot of money up front... So NONE of them would consider them "Free", lemme tell you

So it will be with off-grid home systems utilizing cheap, safe, and clean renewable energy generation from non-conventional technologies. People will pay a lot for the equipment up-front, maybe even take out loans for it.... And buy a system with as small a Wattage output as they can get away with to save on the capital expense. Monthly payments going to either the bank or the power companies make little difference when writing checks ... But at least it will stop funding those who have proven they are the enemies of the planet.

The idea we will just eliminate one problem (fossil fuels) for another is without merit.... What is the complaint again, that we will create more EMF pollution? Not valid. Power grids are by FAR the greatest threat for this. As was previously suggested, EMF will continue to radiate us no matter what power source is used... At least with home power generation we can partially control this ourselves and not just be victims with no options. 

Or the worry that we will somehow use more power than presently? No proof of that; and evidence with existing alternative energy systems points to using much LESS through greater awareness, and because of the max Wattage limits of the home systems... And if the power generation is cheap, clean and safe...? Who really cares anyway as the present dangers of doing so, pollution and "scarcity", are eliminated? We live in a society now that has run totally amok with "Consumerism" (..pushed on us imo as another means of control via propaganda and social engineering by these same enemies who hold us in thrall to their energy)... How could this possibly be made any worse.. When so many millions of Americans have gone to their max limits on credit cards buying mainly useless crap already lol?

The main "problem" will be, is that the sociopaths who now control our entire society through illegal monopolies and manipulation, and who levee a secret tax on us all for the cost of energy (higher than any tax levied by a REAL government), will soon be out of power once their strangle-hold on energy has ended... And once that happens, they lose the protection of all the politicians sitting in their pockets now, and suddenly they will be "naked" and exposed to prosecution for their Anti-Trust, price fixing, and Stock Fraud crimes (not to mention their illegal and immoral world-wide polluting and corruption, as Royal Dutch Shell Oil was forced to pay regarding Nigeria, just this week). They will then have to run for it.. Lol, "Paraguay" will be too small a place for these people to hide in once all their crimes are exposed

I guess some peeps don't like that idea. They can go to the "Underunity / Coal and Oil Forever" forum sites, and talk about it there then, lol... Because they are not going to get much interest here for their discredited concepts of:

"Continue the path of failure, and blindly walking towards certain impending disaster... Because it's better than risking anything new at all, or having to think for ourselves".

.. OR...

"Just keep on paying us for your energy, we order it! Bad things will happen to you if you try to stop!"

Lol, these may work on frightened little "sheeple" but they are not gonna get much traction here

We need to understand that they are not going to release these hidden technologies on their own.. There is too much money to be made by remaining on the present path. WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE THEM DO IT; by "re-inventing" these techs (really more a case of bringing them out from the darkness into the light), proving them, and making the public aware of their existence... Until it becomes too dangerous and uncomfortable for these selfish liars to continue ignoring the elephant in the room, continue pretending that these important and history-changing technologies don't exist.

But we can do so: Our chances of success are very good and getting better every day... They are in trouble now, and they know it... Their denials are beginning to look silly and more and more people every day are waking up and refusing to blindly trust them. WE WILL see a world in our lifetimes that turns from the path of destruction, indifference, and greed; to one of sanity and concern for our childrens' and grandchildrens' future.

We must tell our friends, co-workers, family, and neighbors about these concepts. The more who know the truth, and who realize that the suppression and ignoring by mainstream science have gone on for decades beyond reason, the sooner the lies and control via their strangle-hold on energy will end. When we reach the goal of "100 Million people world-wide" aware of the real possibilities of clean, safe, and cheap energy production; it then goes "supernova" and we will break the chains forever. This goal of much greater Public Awareness is attainable; it can be done... And it will be done... Despite those who would vainly try to stop it by convincing us to quit on our own.

... It being the only tactic left to them against an effective world-wide Open Source community; and the growing Grass Roots movement for releasing these technologies for open and honest study

[rangerover444]

  Jane,
 
I haven't claim to have the solution for that, only pointing out for your attention.
The used of electricity is important, but that’s not the end of story…..


jibbguy,

Let’s put things in order :  coal and oil are most likely the worst. The current electric
system and the politics involved in the energy market, comes right after that. Clean
energy from the sun / wind / geothermal / etc. are already much better. New tech. of
making electricity, involved potential OU principles are far better than anything we said
so far.

I don’t think the usage will grow much in a private homes, so the emission pollution will
not come from there…..  My question is about the total sum of electromagnetic emission
and waves as a major player in causing changes in weather pattern, human / animal nerve systems,
or other effects which are currently unknown, since no serious global research
was done on that yet (at least to my knowledge).

This is not our greatest problem right now on earth, on the other hand it’s not
an excuse to wake up late, like happen with fossil fuel scenario.

Cheers.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

Going back to the Stone Age is a bad idea, doing so will reduce a races survivability rate dramatically, that race will not be able to survive natural holocausts such as leaving their own planet if their star begins to die, would not be able to stop an Asteroid extinction, would have no clue of impending hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, cures for diseases, medical care, no communications would leave local areas blind to invasions from other countries, there are so many bad things that would occur when your survivability decreases, sure technology is still young and requires a lot of research to make it more efficient but it has its place, if we have another ice age it will be technology that will increase our ability to survive where other species will perish. if America was to suddenly give up on Technology forever it would be invaded by countries that had superior war technology, it would be like the British with guns going in and fighting natives with spears and arrows all over again, I would rather have a machine gun in my hand than a rock to throw to protect my family. also, what if a race of beings out of some random blue found Earth and decided to enslave all of man kind and we were stuck in the middle ages, that's not good at all.

I could probably write a good book on this subject but I am not interested in doing so at the moment.

Jerry

[Goat]

@ rangerover444

  Jane,
 
I haven't claim to have the solution for that, only pointing out for your attention.
The used of electricity is important, but that’s not the end of story…..


jibbguy,

Let’s put things in order :  coal and oil are most likely the worst. The current electric
system and the politics involved in the energy market, comes right after that. Clean
energy from the sun / wind / geothermal / etc. are already much better. New tech. of
making electricity, involved potential OU principles are far better than anything we said
so far.

I don’t think the usage will grow much in a private homes, so the emission pollution will
not come from there…..  My question is about the total sum of electromagnetic emission
and waves as a major player in causing changes in weather pattern, human / animal nerve systems,
or other effects which are currently unknown, since no serious global research
was done on that yet (at least to my knowledge).

This is not our greatest problem right now on earth, on the other hand it’s not
an excuse to wake up late, like happen with fossil fuel scenario.

Cheers.

You got it when you mentioned "Let’s put things in order :"

So....Let’s put things in order :

Free or Clean energy vs Current Pollution model?

Put these side by side with pros and cons and I'll go with Free or Clean energy any day, we've already done enough damage with coal, oil and nuke plants to generate electricity, why not try to progress instead of keep doing damage!

Science is not always full proof, people still have to use logic when science may not have looked at a problem until it's too late. 

We're presently at 7 Billion people on this earth and growing, I agree that making technology more accessible to more people will probably exacerbate our destruction of the earth in order to live in our own little piece of the pie.  The problem is that we live in an planned obsolescence world and end up in the 20 % of the population using up 80 % of our natural resources. 

I could go on and on but in the end it's about logic, if you face the facts then you quickly realize that the change needs to be done at the individual level in this race to OU in order to avoid the Political/Big Enterprise/War & Agricultural status quo that's currently ruining this planet.

None of these changes come easy, but if someone cracked an OU device and shared it with all to replicate and use then the Free or Clean energy vs current model would take a new direction for the better in my opinion.

Regards,
Paul