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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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verpies

Quote from: wattsup on November 10, 2011, 11:24:36 PM
Load Group
1 diode 1N8330
1 capacitor 10uF 370v
1 LED bank of 18 red leds that starts lighting at 5vdc.

This is a very inaccurate way of measuring the output power.
Such diode + capacitor circuit does not take advantage of the full power delivered to it.

Also, the lack of full-bridge rectifier wastes half of the power delivered by any symmetrical AC waveform and worst of all causes DC bias in the secondary winding and consequently magnetic bias in the ferrite core. This has the effect of creating additional nonlinearities and harmonics at the output.

Even if the single diode was substituted with a full-bridge rectifier, and its forward voltage drop was disregarded, the voltage across the capacitor would not be representative of the power delivered to such circuit at all.  The power-to-voltage disproportionality error can easily exceed 50% if the source pulse envelope has certain class of shapes.

This happens because the diode blocks the energy flow (power) from the source when the accumulated voltage across the capacitor is greater than the instantaneous voltage delivered by the source. This occurs when the load (LED bank) does not have the time to discharge the capacitor below the instantaneous voltage delivered by the source, before the next pulse from the source arrives.  During this fragment of the pulse, the source would deliver energy to a pure resistive load, but does not deliver any energy to your capacitor+diode load circuit, thus causing serious energy flow (power) measurement error.

Even a light bulb enclosed in a black box with phototransistor would measure power better than your load circuit.
I already discussed power measurement basics below:

Quote from: verpies on November 06, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
...power measurement

Ganzha

Here is practical schematic diagram for Tiger device with ferrite Yoki from uSSr TV sets. Approval!!!!
Be aware of not approval replications from others!!!! It may cose damage your brain!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9781-tigers-device-0-150-1kwt-replicant-2.html#post166451

Qwert

Quote from: stivep on November 11, 2011, 08:54:53 AM
Kolega z Chicago moze ma wiecej  doswiadczenia  z tymi programami prosze o odpowiedz.



Wesley

Niestety nie mam doÅ›wiadczenia z tymi urzÄ...dzeniami. W tym przypadku radzÄ™ zdać siÄ™ na radÄ™ cosmoLV. Reply #8650.
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Good source: http://adobe-premiere.en.softonic.com/

wattsup

Quote from: verpies on November 11, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
This is a very inaccurate way of measuring the output power.
Such diode + capacitor circuit does not take advantage of the full power delivered to it.

Also, the lack of full-bridge rectifier wastes half of the power delivered by any symmetrical AC waveform and worst of all causes DC bias in the secondary winding and consequently magnetic bias in the ferrite core. This has the effect of creating additional nonlinearities and harmonics at the output.

Even if the single diode was substituted with a full-bridge rectifier, and its forward voltage drop was disregarded, the voltage across the capacitor would not be representative of the power delivered to such circuit at all.  The power-to-voltage disproportionality error can easily exceed 50% if the source pulse envelope has certain class of shapes.

This happens because the diode blocks the energy flow (power) from the source when the accumulated voltage across the capacitor is greater than the instantaneous voltage delivered by the source. This occurs when the load (LED bank) does not have the time to discharge the capacitor below the instantaneous voltage delivered by the source, before the next pulse from the source arrives.  During this fragment of the pulse, the source would deliver energy to a pure resistive load, but does not deliver any energy to your capacitor+diode load circuit, thus causing serious energy flow (power) measurement error.

Even a light bulb enclosed in a black box with phototransistor would measure power better than your load circuit.
I already discussed power measurement basics below:

@verpies

Thank you for your comments.

I have tried with FWBRs and there is no difference in the final voltage readings. This is because weather you take half wave or full wave, this will not increase the voltage output (maybe by 0.2 or 0.3 in some cases) but not enough to warrant adding three more diodes.

I have been doing this for a long time now and have come to realize that this is the best and simplest way to  hunt for effects, see the effects and know right away if anything warrants further more precise measurement. Since all the tests are conducted in the same manner, there is always the same comparison base and this is much better then trying many different Load Group strategies. Also, my scope probe is always before the diode so I can see the true waveforms at the output.

I do however realize this is not the best situation but the best situation is time consuming, requires looking at input and output amperage and voltage readings and doing all that while sweeping frequencies is very impractical and in the end, the frequencies you would identify with a more elaborate Load Group will be the same ones I identify with this simplified method so the 50% error you mention would not be exact.

Also, for me it is more important right now to understand the effects, such as the copper strip effect that is only on the Drive Core. This is a very important point that needs further examination and I will try to find another yoke to test that effect more directly. Had I known this before I made this yoke build, I would have done those tests before I put on the final windings on the secondary.

@Mannix

Can you re-do your last post experiment but this time when you have both FG -/+ on the copper strip, try removing the negative and see what happens with only one wire pulsing and sweep for frequencies. I am thinking that maybe the HV does not need a spark gap and one wire only would do the trick. This would really lower the flyback energy consumption as all you really need is for the HV to act on the core. It is as if the HV on the copper strip is analog to a degaussing coil that is quickly resetting or biasing the core ions or atoms for the greatest core movement when the two primaries give their respective impulses. Don't know really but it is very interesting.

@all

My next tests will be with two and three frequencies. This is really where the fun starts.

wattsup