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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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stivep

Quote from: Shokac on September 06, 2010, 04:04:29 AM
Wesley,

still think that the use of NMR Kapanadze, not LC resonance (theory of Vladimir Utkina)?

Or has used both?

one does not contradict the other.
who said it does?

You go to the grocery to buy the bottle of milk .........what you do with the milk is your business.
does grocery help  to the milk? or it does not?
But the milk will still be a milk. and it still be a tool to fulfill motion to your body.
Vladimir Utkin theory is the milk !!!!

You can still go to the farmer instead to grocery, but amount of energy you consume does not balance the gain

Some of helpful information for some who want to understand dependencies of spark gap.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:O2pHh65VdvkJ:weldingweb.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D35536+NOS+ESAB+Spark+Gap&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Quote:
Assuming that figure is applicable to our arc gap, here are the amount of voltage that would build up for various arc gaps:
.020" arc gap: would allow ~1,500 volts to build up
.030" arc gap: would allow ~2,300 volts to build up
.042" arc gap: would allow ~3,200 volts to build up
.250" arc gap: would allow ~19,000 volts to build up

Wesley

sparks

@Stivep

     Air as far as I know is unsaturable.  It's hysterisis curve a straight line linearly up and down the y axis.  Thats why air core solenoids are used to filter high frequency.  The high frequency is choked or not allowed to pass down the line.
  The air inside a solenoid has alot of electrons whose magnetic dipole moments respond to a high frequency pulse.  A choke filters out a dcpulse.  The energy of the pulse is wasted by setting and resetting the magnetic dipole moments of the material within the choke solenoid.  Tesla recognized this and put a solenoid within a solenoid.  Inside his very large choke he places a core material that is made of diamagnetic material.   He then inputs a high frequency wave that is effectively choked by his primary.  No hot current flows in his primary circuit because it is choked.  The magnetic dipole moments of the air within his primary do however respond to the hf and convey a changing magnetic field through the turns of the secondary.  The seconcary is no ordinary solenoid.  It is a waveguide.  Just like a piece of coax the secondary is tuned to the input frequency of the primary.  It is not tuned to radiate it is tuned to accumulate.  This is the exact opposite of what people do when they want to transmit high frequency plane waves.  They attempt to match the impedance of the waveguide so as to decrease the number of standing waves to a minimum.  Tesla tuned his secondary to accumulate each input pulse in the wave guide.   The waveguide being a quarter wavelength of the input frequency starts to create an electric field with one terminal the top load capacitance and the other a quarter wavelength away in the secondary coil or just outside it.
He perfects the system by using magnetic feed back to make sure no hot current ever flows in his spark gap.  He makes sure the plasma created in the spark gap never bridges it.  He makes sure that the input to his pirmary is capacitavely linked to the plasma in the gap so that no loop current flows in the primary circuit.  I dont know who these people are running around the web trying to show us how to build Tesla coils but if you see an unquenched gap dont waste your time.  We have all seen the picture of Tesla sitting in this fenced off area with various tuned secondaries arcing and sparking away.   The fence is the primary/choke.  Tesla is sitting (his image at least)  inside a high frequency choke coil.
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stivep

Quote from: sparks on September 06, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
@Stivep

     Air as far as I know is unsaturable.  It's hysterisis curve a straight line linearly up and down the y axis.  Thats why air core solenoids are used to filter high frequency.  The high frequency is choked or not allowed to pass down the line.
  The air inside a solenoid has alot of electrons whose magnetic dipole moments respond to a high frequency pulse.  A choke filters out a dcpulse.  The energy of the pulse is wasted by setting and resetting the magnetic dipole moments of the material within the choke solenoid.  Tesla recognized this and put a solenoid within a solenoid.  Inside his very large choke he places a core material that is made of diamagnetic material.   He then inputs a high frequency wave that is effectively choked by his primary.  No hot current flows in his primary circuit because it is choked.  The magnetic dipole moments of the air within his primary do however respond to the hf and convey a changing magnetic field through the turns of the secondary.  The seconcary is no ordinary solenoid.  It is a waveguide.  Just like a piece of coax the secondary is tuned to the input frequency of the primary.  It is not tuned to radiate it is tuned to accumulate.  This is the exact opposite of what people do when they want to transmit high frequency plane waves.  They attempt to match the impedance of the waveguide so as to decrease the number of standing waves to a minimum.  Tesla tuned his secondary to accumulate each input pulse in the wave guide.   The waveguide being a quarter wavelength of the input frequency starts to create an electric field with one terminal the top load capacitance and the other a quarter wavelength away in the secondary coil or just outside it.
He perfects the system by using magnetic feed back to make sure no hot current ever flows in his spark gap.  He makes sure the plasma created in the spark gap never bridges it.  He makes sure that the input to his pirmary is capacitavely linked to the plasma in the gap so that no loop current flows in the primary circuit.  I dont know who these people are running around the web trying to show us how to build Tesla coils but if you see an unquenched gap dont waste your time.  We have all seen the picture of Tesla sitting in this fenced off area with various tuned secondaries arcing and sparking away.   The fence is the primary/choke.  Tesla is sitting (his image at least)  inside a high frequency choke coil.

Wow...............Sir please accept my great respect
I will do contradiction to your comment ( only for the purpose of "methodics" )

I will try to analyze your post in  "reverse mode" .Negation is the form  of analysis that if not stated will never dismiss or regain Positivity Of Factors.





QuoteAir as far as I know is unsaturable.
Well it is  saturable at the same way  as "grey is  black" everything is relativity my friend.

supporting factors:
quote: "When we think of air as being saturated with moisture we often say that the air is "holding all the moisture it can". This implies that once the air has reached saturation it won't "accept" anymore water by evaporation. This is wrong. So long as there is water available evaporation will continue even when the air is fully saturated. Let's examine the concept of saturation in more detail."

more you find at: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LUgTkV9wS6UJ:www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/atmospheric_moisture/concept_of_saturation.htm+saturated+air&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Water is the factor  of ionization of the air due to the voltage buildup ( resulting-lightning)( resulting conductivity increase) The properties of air

Vaccum seems to be  more friendly:

Quote:"The model of a plasma generator which can convert physical-vacuum energy into
electricity has been developed under Prof.  Alexander CHERNETSKI at the Moscow
Georgi Plekhanov Institute of the National Economy.
Such generators could lay
the groundwork for the future environmentally-benign power industry."

see more at:http://amasci.com/freenrg/plasmafe.txt

QuoteThats why air core solenoids are used to filter high frequency.  The high frequency is choked or not allowed to pass down the line.

Well solenoid (or coil) has it's own dependency factors
1.
The lower the frequency the more  of Q of the coil, is sensitive to ferrite amplification
:) please review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhDcADo7jjM&feature=related


2. The higher the frequency the less of winds is required to reach resonance (self resonance as well) of the coil.
a. self resonance  point- is the frequency in which the capacitive component  of the coil create the highest Q of  the resonant circuit.(in this example series  resonant circuit)
b. the q amplification with addition to the ferrite "does not work" simply because permeability of the ferrite decrease with the frequency increase, so what you find my friend is due to technical difficulties to apply one.
That is also prove that if ferrite is to be utilized as the "amplification enhancer" in Kapanadze project. The need of low frequency is the must as the permeability  to be applied could go up to 10 000


For air coil dependencies
:) please review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjQUa1mkptg


and:
:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK0LYjORAhA


QuoteThe energy of the pulse is wasted by setting and resetting the magnetic dipole moments of the material within the choke solenoid.
In general you right my attempt to contradict will be limited only to statement:
-I cannot  bit that, as you did not mentioned what material  you have in mind( if it's the air core there is no ferrite)

QuoteNo hot current flows
what do you mean by the term hot current?

QuoteThe seconcary is no ordinary solenoid.  It is a waveguide
.  Every coil is the waveguide the total length of the wire is nothing more and nothing less than antenna with shortened length. the quarter wave length dipole can be at form of coil  with decreased efficiency in  respect to propagated wave at its resonance point.( only if we seek factor of effectives to be at highest point)

QuoteJust like a piece of coax the secondary is tuned to the input frequency of the primary
Yes cannot beat that 50 ohm to 50 ohm( standard for RG 58)  (only if we care about it)
Matching transformers are being characterized as no loss impedance transferrers
(e.g.
- 50-95 ohm for CATV measurement)
or
( 300 to 50ohm from dipole antenna with 300 ohm  "flat feeder" to coaxial cable) (G5RV, W3DZZ,)

At the same token  we can state we do not care as long as impedance is to be match.
Example is the use of Hi Quality Audio mobile amplifiers as square wave stimulator up to 100KHz. with no distortion to the shape. and we already have 4-5 ohm at the output instead of 50 ohm delivered  from the generator.

QuoteIt is not tuned to radiate it is tuned to accumulate
No it is not. the purpose of coaxial cable is lossles radiation in within the waveguide ( the total losses are still present  with db/meter of the coaxial feeder)

QuoteHe makes sure that the input to his pirmary is capacitavely linked to the plasma in the gap so that no loop current flows in the primary circuit.

Well the purpose of vector network analyzer is to measure S1.2, S2.1, or S parameter in general.
VSWR and SWR , coefficient of insertion loss.
Everything only for one reason - capacitive and inductive linkage.
But yes you right in the presence of the spark everything that takes me 10 minutes of my work  now  consumes weeks.

I will rate your post 8 of 10
Wesley

Question:
Why most of (if not- all) of the knowledge in the area of free energy analysis comes not from USA but from Russia and Eastern Europe? (or people originating from that region- including Tesla)Can anyone explain that?

dllabarre

Quote from: stivep on September 05, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
This might look difficult but it is not,
For the one who want to understand principals of the ferrite and what is  going on when ferrite is activated.
While you watch the video try to do not concentrate for the first tile on equations but on overall content.
It is 2 hours video. If some of you do not bother to watch it, think of how many hours more you spend on building your Kapanadze replica.

And for  the One who think it is just waste of time....... do not even say the word on this forum, this place is not for non educated  ignorants.

http://www.youtube.com/user/t2hour


Wesley

Good video.
I've watch many from the 801 course and a few from this 802 course already.  This is a good one for what we're doing (trying to do) here.

Thank you for the post.
DonL