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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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LtBolo

Quote from: iws1987 on November 05, 2010, 01:02:27 AM
So could this be what we need ?

Close. The copper plates form the HV cap, yes. Not sure whether they can be resonant or must be pulsed. Gut tells me resonant may be fine.

The output circuit must be tuned to 1/2 the HV frequency...no diode though...just a resonant tank. No phase adjustment necessary or possible. If you get it right, the output will ring up on its own from stray currents...like an oscillator circuit. Without some kind of nonlinear load like a light bulb, it will run away.

The Q of the output circuit must be high enough to keep the loss lower than the gain. At high freq, Q can be pretty low...but the lower the frequency, the higher the Q must be to get it to light.

Let me say this...we have done this mechanically before, with a rotating I core piece to change the inductance of a U shaped inductor. It works...and it is feakin cool to watch. When you hit the right freq it roars to life...and literally roared...it was quite loud. The mechanical approach cannot be OU however. I do believe that the E field approach can be, since the E field may not consume energy while causing the parameter change.


ter

@Ltbolo

I think we are up to something here.. ok lets consider an resonant? LC tank... assuming we use a ferrite torroid(Stacked to form a "tube") and a slit metal plate at the inner and outer sections forming a cap ....maybe in the 1nF range , depending on "thickness" of the ferrite, the thinner the more capacitance we get.... and vice versa... what do you suppose the L will be in here? the *bifilar* perhaps? or load coil?

im still trying to figure it out...

maybe a *new* type of experiment... since I don't have access to ferrite torriods, maybe an 8mm ferrite rod will do... 1st later is foil(1 side as cap), then 2nd layer will be coil(forming as an insulator), then sandwiched by another foil (now acting as other side of cap)...

what do you think...

baroutologos

@ LTbolo,

I have been thinking and experimenting with the concept of pulsing a coil at low inductance and collapsing it at higher one this may be a way of getting OU in a system.
My concepts were by manipulation of a permanent magnet's field lead to semi-saturation, pulsing a coil to a degree and them collapsing the field by removing PM field and pulsing's coil field.

Of course, the manipulation of a PM field is not free or even efficient. What you put is what you get from it. I have experience in MEG setups, measurements taken and can say it with confidence.

The whole concept was originated by STEORN's concept that insisted the pulsing of a toroid under the influence of an external magnet (low inductance) and collapsing it after the external magnet has been removed (high inductance) results in energy gains.
Of course, this has been tested and proved to be wishfull thinking.

...
Regarding the E-field

Do we have any concrete evidence Ltbolo, that E-field alters the magnetic permeatability hence inductance of a coil over a ferrite core? If yes, then we are on a good way i guess.

But bear in mind, that plain inductance manipulation is not enough. A coil should spend a finite amount of energy in a ferrite core to create an equal amount of B-flux, and somehow this flux should be amplified without interacting with the coil..

iws1987

Quote from: LtBolo on November 05, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
Close. The copper plates form the HV cap, yes. Not sure whether they can be resonant or must be pulsed. Gut tells me resonant may be fine.

The output circuit must be tuned to 1/2 the HV frequency...no diode though...just a resonant tank. No phase adjustment necessary or possible.

Thanks for the search string, it led me directly to the paper you mentioned :-)

Yes, this is a parametric oscillation, so having the frequencies right it will spin up on its own.

The two resonance frequencies can be determined this way:
1. with no output coil cap mounted, the HV resonance is tuned.
2. with no HV tank exitation, an extra short exitation coil upon the output coil just for the tuning of the output resonance are wound.
This coil is exited with exactly 1/2 the HV tank frequency.
cap(s) are mounted until perfect resonance is achieved.

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If you get it right, the output will ring up on its own from stray currents...like an oscillator circuit. Without some kind of nonlinear load like a light bulb, it will run away.

This is why I mentioned "adjusting the phase".

Have a look at it this way:
1. If HV exited at the correct frequency, it will run away with a linear load.
2. If the HV frequency is skewed sufficiently off twice the output resonance frequency, the output is zero.
3. If we monitor the output voltage as a parameter to control, and we have a phase comperator comparing the phase difference between the HV and output oscillation, then the output power can be controlled by controlling the phase difference. The two frequencies on average keep the relation Fout = 2 * Fhv, but by introducing a small HV frequency jitter, the phase difference is controlled.
4. Low HV means high permeability, high HV means low permeability if I got it right.
5. To increase output power the HV is high while the output voltage rises, and low while it falls.
6. To decrease the output power, the HV is low while the output voltage rises, and high while it falls.
7. Whether you have situation 5 or 6 depends on the phase relation, so a phase locked loop (corrected for the 2 factor) can control the phase so the output voltage is at a constant amplitude

Getting this far, the output coil can be harvested simply by closing a switch once the desired output voltage is achieved.

Or

Using Hectors diode plug, the energy are harvested non-linearly and non-reflective. This should allow more power from the same size core, at the cost of a bit more complex circuit.

I have previously posted my diode plug circuit here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8597.690
See from post #695 to #697.

On #697 the rightmost part of the diagram is exactly what I'm thinking of for the output coil. The exiting part and the feedbach need minor changes, like e.g. replacing the middle coil with a HV transformer with a tank circuit on the secondary for doing the HV excitation of the sliced copper tubes encasing the toroid cores.

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The Q of the output circuit must be high enough to keep the loss lower than the gain. At high freq, Q can be pretty low...but the lower the frequency, the higher the Q must be to get it to light.

Let me say this...we have done this mechanically before, with a rotating I core piece to change the inductance of a U shaped inductor. It works...and it is feakin cool to watch. When you hit the right freq it roars to life...and literally roared...it was quite loud. The mechanical approach cannot be OU however. I do believe that the E field approach can be, since the E field may not consume energy while causing the parameter change.

Maybe you could use Hectors diode plug here also, it harvests "virtual power"

Thank you for sharing your ideas, the control of magnetic permability with an E-field must be a winner :-)

Eric

sigma16

Did Teriel Kapanadze ever state that he used a ferrite core in his coils?