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Symetric Magnet Motor Idea

Started by CombinedTech, June 30, 2009, 06:44:26 PM

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CombinedTech

Quote from: TinselKoala on July 01, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
since audio is typically AC and you want pulsed DC.

In my theory you could just cut or construct the wave to DC in the Audio program.
The reason for this approach is that I would have a Oscillioscope in the Audio program, giving me some limited visual overview of what is going on without having to buy an oscillioscope.
At the same time i would be able to construct the wave how ever i want on screen visually.
Just a thought

DreamThinkBuild

Quote from: CombinedTech on July 02, 2009, 06:14:04 AM
In my theory you could just cut or construct the wave to DC in the Audio program.
The reason for this approach is that I would have a Oscillioscope in the Audio program, giving me some limited visual overview of what is going on without having to buy an oscillioscope.
At the same time i would be able to construct the wave how ever i want on screen visually.
Just a thought

CombinedTech,

A power amp might work for a motor. I have an old power amplifier, puts out over 12 amps fully cranked, great for frying electronic components and 10 amp meters. Anyways, I use Cool Edit a oldy but goody sound program before Adobe bought them out and generate wave forms in it. Feed it to the power amp (through a mono plug) then out to whatever circuit you want to drive. A scope helps a lot to get the right wave form and amplitude, like turning off your sound cards bass enhance option if it's on. Put a pot on the output so you can tweak the current to the desired level. Once you got the wave form, amplitude and current set; hook it up. One thing you will have to check with a scope is distortion from the sound card. Cheap sound cards will put out cr*ppy wave forms (round square waves). I run through a Creative Audigy which gives a good output signal.

0c

This is the problem with many (nonworking) OU magnet motors. People want magnets to behave a certain way. Magnets actually behave otherwise, following their own set of rules. People have discovered ways to force magnets to behave the way they want, by using externally supplied energy to make the magnets conform to their wishes.

the problem with this approach is that it requires an external supply of energy.

CombinedTech is doing the right thing. He is trying to discover a way to get (permanent) magnets to accomplish something without depending on any external supply of energy, using only the intrinsic behavior of the magnets themselves. If he is successful, there will be no doubt whether or not it is overunity. Batteries will not be included.

The challenge is to limit your thinking to the permanent magnets and their effects, to figure out some way to allow their natural behavior to provide useful, continuous, and repeatable output; without requiring any external influence.

Manipulating the fields electrically is cheating and, as we all know, there's a price tag.

Can a pure permanent magnet motor ever succeed? I don't know, but I don't think it has a chance if it's plugged in.

CombinedTech

@DreamThinkBuild

Sounds great  :)
Defiantly needs a high quality audio card, just not sure about the noise from the PSU and fans.
I have a very good music ear and enjoy good clear music allot, and i can tell you that my current sound card is way off, and i can clearly hear noise in the sound.
I was thinking of using an old NAD 304 amplifier, produces acceptable sound quality with close to no noise so its quite good shielded and apparently the internal components have been selected with thought to noise reduction.
Produces 4x35 real Watts at 6 or 8 Ohms, so around 2 - 2,5 amps on each channel if i understand it correctly.
But the PC......... well ill look into when i get the time.

@Oc

I have been thinking about this type of design for some time, so don't worry about me jabbering on about many other things, I tend to do that and it seems to work out the best for me ;D
Can't focus on one thing for to Long, gotta have multiple problems  ???

I made some small changes after some testing, and think that i might have overcome one more attraction = repulsion problem.
Perhaps i will upload a new animation later tonight.

CombinedTech

Posted a new video in very slow motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMu2yZM3bg0

Problem is when rotating magnet is in the middle of two static magnets, then the shield is going away creating a negative drag.
The rest of the drag spots are almost zeroed out by another positive drag and also when 2 magnets are repelling each other, it should produce more positive push/repulsion than the single magnet negative pull on the shield when in the middle of two static magnets.

What do you think, could there be a slim chance here?