Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[FrozenWaterLab]

     I had to move and no longer have access to the ground. The move was fast and dirty and I don't have the results of my gigantic capacitor charging sheet, but I can tell you that I was able to acquire more joules using a single 650 farad capacitor then multiple. I think after a month of charging, I was only able to obtain .8 volts (2600 farad) when they were hooked together (additive, series), while I charged them in parallel. The charge speed dropped after .5 volts additive and was barely crawling for 3 weeks after that. My caps still have the charge still on them though, so I still have the essence of the ground with me.  Also my original plan of using a Stiffler exciter powered by a solar panel exciting the exterior of the capacitor would have only worked with the one cap. Sooo, I just need to miniaturize. Also a lower tech version of that could be wrapping a tin foil around the ground charge capacitor and hoisting a large airel connected to the external area of the cap. The differences in ground oscillation and air oscillations will excite the capacitor in a similar fashion as the stiffer oscillator would have.  

@Cosmicfarmer[/glow]
Sorry to hear you had to up root.
Hope you will be able to continue soon.

@FrozenWaterLab
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That is alot of backbreaking , well documented work! I do confess that images would help but your time is better spent actually digging and whatnot, but the idea is clearly there. 

I got good results out of that honest 8 foot grounding rod as well, and yes it takes hard work getting it in. 

I will be putting 3 of these in at the back of the house. (Ground rods for winter experimenting)
Along with more carbon at the bottom in holes.
For me in my area anyway I think distance between top and bottom of hole is best I can get.
So Neg laid flat on surface and carbon in bottom of hole. We shall see.
My inclination angle is 74 degrees almost up and down so I will run the neg's about 18" to south with 3' deep hole.
With the 8' dround rods I suspect best at about 3'-4' south. More testing soon.

Sad thing is I thought I would need the distance for better performance, so I put my first ones in the back corner of the lot. Bout 150' from the house. Don't relish running a conduit 18" down (Only way I'd put wires across the lot.)
But on the positive side there is a 60' to 80' Birch tree there to string an areal into. (Maby a run to the house also??? But I've berried all overhead in the past and don't relish one now) Maby a overhead to the shop peak along the fence line but thats an E-W run
Will put pics below.


Looks like you had the most joules at the star arrangements of both + and - elements. Were they all depth tuned? That would take alot of work and someone else's hand to hold the meter while you wiggled the short one up and down.... Maybe depth tune one set at a time and then once all 3 sets are tuned, then link them in a star fashion.

This I can do on my own and I want to try laying the Mg's flat about an 1" down next to each other.

Also do you think that your results are based off of surface area (voltaic pile) or ground wave capture? Maybe the amps came from increased surface area while the higher-then-usual volts came from the groundwaves... Its hard to really tell... 

I haven't drawn any conclusion as yet - If I were to comment right now I'd say a combination. I think there's more then just galvanic going on.
Surface area as apposed to Number of elements is the question I will address next. (say 2-1/2"x2"x15" slats one upright and one laid on bottom and 2-20ea 1/4" rod sets - upright and flat will be in same hole) Each with there own wire (One bare as I have dome so far and other insulated)
Another test is to put a Fiberglass trash can I have (16" wide and 24" deep) flush with ground) Set of elements inside (Also plastic buckets) for series hook up.
This is just the beginning of what I intend to look at.
I have an handheld 10mh O-scope on order as well as my 30mh and 50mh bench type, that I will be hooking up soon.


Some ideas for your airel antenna...  You can keep it the way it is and find the voltage difference between it and your large ground rod, Or make a JoeTate APM (ambient power module) and get a dozen volts at almost no amps, Or try my idea by connecting the exterior of a charging ground capacitor to the antenna (to accelerate the charging process) ,  Or if you wanted to make a better antenna that is flat, then instead of shining the metal, you should make it SCRATCHY! The micro spikes channel or funnel the energy a little better then a shiny surface (from what I hear), imagine a spike on top of a tesla coil , all the energy travels through the spike and mostly not anywhere else, same idea but a smaller scale. This idea works best when connected to the ground, as the flow is actually up and out. Hoist the flat metal antenna on a non conductor - wood or plastic, as a metal post will steal some of its power.


Could you supply a link to the Joe Tate APM you mention.
I also want to try a Roy Meyers' Absorber type set up.
I have 10-1F 5.5V super caps on order to begin in this direction and will be asking more questions then I'm sure. (I have another 10 around here someware but have misplaced them - Need a lab assistant haha)
I was thinking along the lines of what tesla said about the Raised Capp being shinny (did I remember that wrong?) But if it has been found better to have the scratchy surface ? all the better. Whair from - your data? (More thread to read I bet) Please offer links if possable.

Good work and thanks for keeping the thread alive!

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Thank You and likewise.
It takes time and the interest to actually get involved.
What we work on is small potatoes at this point. but free once set up 24/7.
Who knows what might become possible in the future?
If it isn't looked into Absolutely Nothing.

FrznWtr
PS That's an 10' stepladder so the branching I'd like to reach would be about 40' up from the surface.
Just one wire up to that point or up to that point and back down. OR
Might first go to a southerly tree and hoist the end then pull the middle so to speak up at this point.
Getting Pulleys up and secured is the trick.
Insulated wire or bare?  What dose anyone think? Suggestions?

[Cosmicfarmer]

I love the area your around, seems really peaceful.

Heres the link to the APM. 
http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/tate.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/00fig1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/00fig2.jpg

Its similar to the aptly named "FREE ENERGY FROM AIR" circuit, which is what started me down this path of experimentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYysBEwA6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fuw2V0COEY

The second vid he just has 2 of them together.  To be honest its just a capacitive rectifier. He claims a better yield with a larger flatter antenna and a deeper ground.

I was able to "read" 11.4 volts from my single 8ft copper ground rod with the APM attached to it, however the instant a load was applied it went WAY down to about a volt. I had it in my garden. Nearby plants have a positive effect on ground power. I think my ground rod was either entrained, on a node, or blessed, but I always had stellar performance. Oscoping that ground rod gave me the coolest fractal wave pattern that I am beating myself up for not recording it... I made a video of a different ground and by that time my wife had got to my Oscope in a fit and the finer resolutions would not work....... However, it is interesting to use a LED as a load for the APM on a ground, and watch the quivering pulses that acure from the ground. Use fast switching diodes that do not consume alot of power like IN4148. Also the APM can rectify your bio-voltage to slowly charge a capacitor. The APM just really compares 2 oscillations and produces rectified filtered DC, much like a sensitive bridge rectifier.

I can't remember where I found about the scratched up ariel, I think it was relating to electroculture and assisting a tree to grow... But if Tesla said it, its gotta be true.   

Maybe what you could do to that poor tree is somehow monkey up it and wrangle a rope around the branch somehow. Or knot the end of a rope with a heavy metal chunk so you can make a centerfuge with your arm and the rope/"monkeys fist" to get it that high. Then you can hoist a metal sheet up using pulley action. You would also have to secure the bottom of the panel as well to prevent the wind from whipping it around too much. connect the metal sheet with an insulated wire to your devices through the ground. 

I think if you just throw a uninsulated wire around the branch, you will not be able to harvest much power because of leakage, and an insulated wire won't have much of an effect due to small contact to the environment.

If you can wire from treetop to treetop, uninsulated wire is the way to go, with insulation on its way down from the canopy. If its horizontal, then you can get away with just wire, but a vertical uninsulated wire might have the leakage.  Its all about potential differences based on height.

Your 1 farad caps should be big enough to fill up in a decent time. 650x4 is just too much for me right now.


Good luck!

[Cosmicfarmer]

...  I re read that APM page where it says it does not matter about the insulation.  Which is true if you wish to only harvest RF.  However there is a charge difference that is in the wind that you will be excluding by insulating the antenna. Triboelectric effect of air molecules rubbing against each other.  Also you might be at risk for lightning strikes with this setup, so disconnect your toys when it gets stormy, and maybe even short out the antenna to ground someone outside your house during these times.  Or make a spark gap down from the antenna to the ground, so when it does lightning the spark gap will be used instead of your circuit/house. 

[FrozenWaterLab]

@Cosmicfarmer
Thanks
I had actually watched all Paul's videos last night by happening on his U-tube stuff
so is his real name Joe Tate? It appeared he was the initiator of the circuit. I will try this with the coils also.
I have an 8' copper coated ground rod driven in at an angle under that tree flush with the surface.
I see some helpful info for suspending the arial. I have about 1000' of gye wire. Thats 7 aluminum wires (Aprox. 14 gage ea. warped around a galvanized steel core  about 12 gage whole thing is 3/8"
I'd like to get some light cable through a chunk of garden hose up around the tree above that branch with a poly pulley on the end of it. (AND a rope through the pulley haha)
I have a set of tree spikes but don't relish using them on the trees in my yard.
I'm thinking about getting out my pitch arm for the monkey fist thing.
String then cord then rope, etc. etc.
From the shoppe roof to the tree and bend a corner and go to another tree towards the front of the lot
I'm pondering a connection in the middle of the wire as opposed to the end. Any ideas on that?
Haven't read the APM Doc. completely yet but will.
I wonder how that circuit would react between the Pos and neg of an Earth Batt.
He's using coils around his ground to get up to 120V but I don't see an intentinol RC circuit - I ponder adding an Variable Air cap. I have some so might try when I get that far.

We don't have much (And I mean almost non existent) Lightning here but a spark gap sounds good for safety sake.
Say what about that metal roof on my shoppe? Prob too grounded but i'll be hooking it up as an experiment.
Tnks again for the links
FrznWtr

[Pirate88179]

Frozenwaterlabs:

This was the purpose, or one of the many purposes, that Jim (electricme) asked me to start this topic for him.

You have no lightning in your neck of the woods but....guess what?  It hits the earth thousands of times a minute somewhere on the planet 24/7.  So, if a lightning bolt hits south America and my data logger shows an increase...you get the idea?

We even speculated about earthquakes and other natural phenomena that we might see a correlation with in our data from all over the world and....just maybe...be able to predict an occurrence of some type of earth event prior to it happening.

I, as of yet, do not have a data logger on my EER.  But, if I did, and there was something happening across the world from me, I could look at the data and see if it registered here in some way.

Anyway, all of this was Jim's brilliant idea which we have not implemented as of yet.

But we should.

Best of luck with your experiments.

Bill