Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[tishatang]

Bill and All

Go to link above and download the THE BOY ELECTRICIAN.  It's big about 200M.

On page 78 of the doc which is page 128 of the book, they have what they describe as an astatic galvanoscope.  It uses two compass needles that self cancel each other.  Extremely sensitive and it shows you how to make one.  In all my readings, I have never see this before.  Maybe this is sensitive enough you don't need to be a dowser.  Connect two lead wires to this thing.  One connected to a ground rod, and the other lead connected to a probe like an old ski pole or metal with sharp point and walk around and poke the ground to get the highest reading.

[tishatang]

OK, here is my circuit on the Stubblefield Patent 600457

To understand the patent you have to understand resonant circuits.  To review:  A parallel res circuit multiplies the voltage.  A series res circuit multiplies the amps.  The Q of the circuit is the multiplier.

For example:  We have two ground rods.  The voltage between them is 1 AC volt at a small .002 amps.  Then if Q is the multiplier, we have 50 volts peak on the parallel circuit, and .100 amps on the series circuit.  If we could combine the two separate circuits, we would have a gain in power of 50 X 50 = 2500 all in theory.  If we were only 10 % efficient due to loads and losses, we would still have a gain of 250, not bad.  The bifilar coil in the patent is high Q construction.  It probably has a Q of 100 to 200.   So, you see the potential is there.to gain a lot of power even with a small input.

Stubblefield did not have diodes to play with in his day.  Unless he used an antennae, he would not be able to use a parallel circuit.  So, what did he do?  He used two series circuits to amplify the amps.  The two ground rods of their respective circuits would still remain at the one volt difference.  We are just pumping up  the amps.  He gets the gain in voltage by colliding the series currents into each other.  Notice the new circuit shows the ground rod pairs at opposite voltage to each other!

Have you ever watched boats in a lake coming in from opposite directions.  Each has a small wake.  But when the wakes collide, it sets up a few big high waves.   Same effect is seen when reflected waves meet the source waves.  You get higher and lower waves at a lower frequency as their energies mix and match or cancel each other.  these higher and stronger wave energize the collector coil wound around the bifilar pair in opposition.  This is our power gain.  Their must be an also unknown power gain by using one coil of iron.  The higher resistance of iron can possibly link with the magnetic field of the earth, or cause a phase shift that helps the amplification factor?  Or maybe has something to do with conditioning the space?

I have seen writings speculating on the make or break of the secondary (collector) coil.  This is a simple relay set up as a vibrator.  Here, it is normally closed.  I should have placed it next to its battery where it can be normally open.  When energized by the battery or separate EB, the coil of the relay opens and closes the contacts in a vibrating mode.  This works the same as hitting a bell with a hammer.   The bell will ring at its resonant tone.  It doesn't matter how you hit the bell or how fast or what kind of hammer.  It will still ring at the same tone.  A tuned resonant circuit acts the same as a bell.  The sharp pulses of the relay contacts will ring the circuits at their resonant frequencies automatically.   

To have this make or break in the patent only makes sense if you are using resonant circuits.  The same reason he used high Q winding techniques.  These are resonant circuits.  Everything points to it.

Even though the iron and copper coils are linked together as a bifilar winding, they can each have different resonant frequencies.  The make or break will ring them both.  Look back to the Q reference at the beginning of this thread and see the graph.  The higher the Q, the longer the ring.

This primes the pump, so to speak, and gets things going into resonance.  Then the battery and the relay are no longer needed.  You collect your power through the normally closed switch.  The pumping action conditions the immediate area.  The longer you pump the EB, the bigger your conditioned area will become.  You can add a feedback loop to sustain operation.  If earth currents shift or weaken, you can prime the pump again to get things going.  Once conditioned, it takes less energy to sustain the field.  To get it going again might be as easy as sparking the wire as you touch it to connect.

Knowing these principles, you can can design your own version of the patent.  It can be bigger or smaller.  Smaller means higher frequencies.  Bigger means lower frequencies.  Normally, the lower frequencies carry more energy.  I say start with what you have on hand to prove the principle.  Try and use natural insulation materials instead of plastic.  Fiberglass and resin are OK for insulation.  I have a feeling modern magnet wire is OK as long as the coating is not plastic. Be sure and use the wood ends and cotton wrap between layers of the coils and the core.  I will explain why later. 

Before you bury your EB in the ground do the following:

Place the components on the ground and map the magnetic fields around  a five foot radius or whatever you have room for.  Write down, the direction the compass points as you walk around the spot.  See how close the compass has to be to attract to the iron, say 3 inches.  Then after you bury it and start your conditioning, see if it changes the magnetic field?   Magnetic field and orientation of the compass changes will indicate conditioning is happening and how far out it has expanded.  For example, the compass is now pointing to the iron at two feet away instead of 3 inches with the priming turned off.

I hope this helps us all in the search for cheap energy.
Tishatang

[MW383]

Tishitang,

He used two series circuits to amplify the amps.  The two ground rods of their respective circuits would still remain at the one volt difference.  We are just pumping up  the amps.  He gets the gain in voltage by colliding the series currents into each other.  Notice the new circuit shows the ground rod pairs at opposite voltage to each other!

This is very interesting... I was at one time interested in earth energies colliding with ground energies on or near to surface of earth. Geomagnetic prospecting patents I have read clearly state that ground energy intensifies significantly near the point of impact with air based energies. What you are outlining here is similar, two forces are getting smashed together right in the windings. I like it because one would assume that the energy release would be magnified.

Have you ever watched boats in a lake coming in from opposite directions.  Each has a small wake.  But when the wakes collide, it sets up a few big high waves.   Same effect is seen when reflected waves meet the source waves.  You get higher and lower waves at a lower frequency as their energies mix and match or cancel each other.  these higher and stronger wave energize the collector coil wound around the bifilar pair in opposition.  This is our power gain.  Their must be an also unknown power gain by using one coil of iron.  The higher resistance of iron can possibly link with the magnetic field of the earth, or cause a phase shift that helps the amplification factor?  Or maybe has something to do with conditioning the space?

I made reference a few weeks back to a stone being thrown into water with resulting wave effects. I like your analogy better.

To have this make or break in the patent only makes sense if you are using resonant circuits.  The same reason he used high Q winding techniques.  These are resonant circuits.  Everything points to it.

Of this you have me convinced.

Even though the iron and copper coils are linked together as a bifilar winding, they can each have different resonant frequencies.  The make or break will ring them both.  Look back to the Q reference at the beginning of this thread and see the graph.  The higher the Q, the longer the ring.

I would expect a more powerful collision of the two sides if each were in resonance.

This primes the pump, so to speak, and gets things going into resonance.  Then the battery and the relay are no longer needed.  You collect your power through the normally closed switch.  The pumping action conditions the immediate area.  The longer you pump the EB, the bigger your conditioned area will become.  You can add a feedback loop to sustain operation.  If earth currents shift or weaken, you can prime the pump again to get things going.  Once conditioned, it takes less energy to sustain the field.  To get it going again might be as easy as sparking the wire as you touch it to connect.

I posted a little on priming, pumping and getting an earth response but my comments were only conceptual. I believe your explanation has raw technical merit.

Smaller means higher frequencies.  Bigger means lower frequencies.  Normally, the lower frequencies carry more energy.

Correct and in line with my observations made to commercial induction heating appliances.

Try and use natural insulation materials instead of plastic.  Fiberglass and resin are OK for insulation.....Be sure and use the wood ends and cotton wrap between layers of the coils and the core.  I will explain why later. 

I am curious about the specification for wood. I agree with the cotton wrap. I will be using a battery grade polypropylene seperator material. Will not decomose, has excellent wicking ability, and will provide excellent electrolytic pathways within cell. I made some posting in other forum along these lines.

Back a few posts you had mentioned ground energy transferring into voltaics near to iron. I agree and tried explaining the same thing in the other forum. In fact, the original Stubblefield would have had oxidation occurring on the iron core itself. By maintaining an electrolytic path between all layers and also around iron core itself, you maximize both natural iron oxidation AND ability for earth based electrons to attach to system. I believe this is the second good reason to have all irons aligned with each other in a multiple layered coil. It is looking like the best reason for iron to copper constructional alignment is the colliding effect you have described. I am also still trying to think my way through the magnetic aspects. It would seem that a nicer magnetic field within primary is achieved by the iron windings. There is also the possibility that the electrochemal reactions are enhanced in the presence of magnetism (a highly debated topic in those areas of science, more pissing contests. I have seen data in other chemistry that supports this theory).

I appreciate the manual on dowsing. I will be travelling later this week and shall read through this material while sitting in airports/airplanes. Actually I am way behind a lot of reading due to home computer issues over the weekend.

In regards to trying things out, I am in process on what I call a Stubblefield replication in addition to things much crazier (but along Stubblefields principals). Your old world approach has me very interested in the replica however. I have collected various pieces to build this replica (100+ year old carriage bolt of nice size from my dairy barn, cotton covered 16GA wire, 16GA annealed iron wire) Your comments on having wood at the end are most interesting to me at this point. I have no idea if I am in the right wire guages right now but will most likely proceed with what I have (especially with copper).

I will have many future questions on applying your latest circuit when the battery is complete. (remember that I am no electrical wizard when it comes to actual components and circuitry)

I am probably forgetting to mention a hundred things but see that this is already more than long winded.

Thanks,

MW383

[electricme]

Tishatang,

Speaking of scribd, go here:

http://www.scribd.com/

Search for the book called THE BOY ELECTRICIAN  by Alfred P. Morgan written 1913.  Give give you an idea of life back then.  And, some of the things Stubblefield would maybe have as far back as 1880.  Download and enjoy if you like to make things.  It is a DIY book.  Make coils, condensers Even a tesla coil.  Telephones and things like in NS time.  Unfortunately, no chapter on ground antennas. Highly recommend this book in your library.

I took the opportunity yesterday whilst I was in Town and downloaded a copy, guess what, I left the USB stick there, never mind, I'll get it during this coming weekend.

mw383, and tishatang,

What can I say except wow, this information is really beginning to make headway now, between you both we all are benefiting hugely, I also like the ships headding towards each other bow wave description, it is the best I have seen.

The energy of one side of the Stubblefield coil collides with the energy coming back through the sets of coils, setting up this electrical bow wave, as you said, the higher the wave, the more is there, the more there, the easier it will be to tap into and feed it back to keep it operating.

The one KEY to getting an understanding of all this is to keep putting the info in a way that is simple to understand.
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About my simple transformer test the other day, what I need to do now, is do a blind test.
I have to setup 2 identical transformers, one in air, the other in an oil bath, and record temperatures of them both running at the same time.
The transformer in air will fail first, but the oiled bath trannie will last a lot more.
Oil is my chosen liquid as it is an insulator, and I don't have ultra pure water to put the other one in.

But, I also can see if I immerse a set of copper coils into the oil bath, and feed just air through the copper pipe, (suction process is new to me) the output will scorch anything with a severe burn it touches, hotter air is better than hot steam.
I see there are hot air soldering stations about.
I also remember my dad would light his cig by placing the tip well above the glass top of the aladden preassure kerosene lamp we used to use at dinner time.

The posts on all these topics are of very high quality, if there are people reading who would like to join in, please do so but please read up through the beginning posts first.

Now I will answer my PMs.

jim

[Pirate88179]

@ Jim:

I agree 100% with your post.  These new fellows, mw383 and tishatang, have contributed much in the way of new information, resources and new ideas.  This is exactly what we need.

I have said this before and I will say it again, what ever WE are able to accomplish here on our several different topics, will be a group effort.  It has always been that way and I am very excited for our future efforts.  We have a lot to sort through and chew on and experiment with.  I have no doubt that great things are just around the corner for all of us.

Let's see what we all can do.

Bill         PS  Great book recommendation. (The boy electrician)