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Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts

Started by xenomorphlabs, July 25, 2009, 08:00:09 PM

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gyulasun

Hi Peter,

If you are using the GDO for the first time (well if you are new to it lol) then the best advice is trying to make coupling to the GDO oscillator coil the minimum possible, i.e. very loosely (usually this means the smallest dip, 1-2mm needle movement) because otherwise the frequency calibration of the dial suffers, the circuit to be measured pulls the GDO frequency away.

It would be a good habit using a digital frequency meter too for checking the actual frequency while taking the dips, at least for a certain time till you have a good grasp on the GDO.  Sorry if you already know these though.

Re on finding the natural frequency of a coil.  Well if you try dipping a solenoid and you do not use any parallel capacitor with the solenoid then you try dipping it by going up with the GDO frequency into the tens MHz range, even beyond 40-50MHz or higher, depending on your solenoid number of turns, OD, etc, suddenly you should find a strong dip you would not expect if you are not aware of it: it will be the self-resonance of the coil, constituted by the self-inductance AND the capacitances between the turns. 

It is a good idea what xeno suggests:  take a piece of wire which is 1/4 wavelength at a certain frequency, then make a solenoid from that wire (at first try to adhere to 1:1 length/diameter ratio) and check with the GDO the coil self-resonant frequency described above.
Say you pick 30MHz, it is 10m full wave, and 2.5m quarter wave,  coil up a 2.5m piece of wire (of 0.5-1mm dia) onto a 1" bobbin and dip it.

rgds, Gyula

Peterae

Hi Gyula

Thank you for the advice, only just got this one and am still getting used to it.

yes off course i can find the natural resonance using the GDO as well,  i thought of that after posting.

i will do the wire test also it will give me some hands on experience.

Thanks
peter

bw

here are a couple of links that might help someone working on Don's devices.  The first is the most complete writings from Don Smith I have found so far.  It says link is broken sometimes so if it comes up, copy. 

http://www.free-energy-info.com/smith.pdf

This next link is to Tesla's patent for a very similar device.  http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/U.S.%20Patent%20No.%200462418.pdf

peace

bw

Hi Yucca & Peterae and thanks.  You asked the volts and imped. readings, I have no fancy meters, only a cheap analog multimeter and on top of that I really don't know much about it's proper usage other than the one small page instructions, however I'll try to tell you what I got.  I tried several ways to charge a 12v battery but I'm not sending dc I think, so for now I disconnect the battery from the coil.  I have the plasma globe powered by an inverter running from the battery, on top is my first class aircore coil wound with five too many turns(20) I forgot to count and havent corrected to Don's 10-15 turns of 30 ft. of jumbo speaker wire.  Radio Shak didn't label jumbo so I got 16 gage wire, split it like Don said and wrapped it on a 6" pvc pipe.  The coil ends connect to an aluminum plate on top for one wire and a brass plate on bottom(could not locate copper plate locally) with a thin sheet of plastic between the plates, this was robbed from the dipole generator I built first.  To each plate I connected a wire to feed to a full bridge rectifier(Don mentioned one in a different device he built).  I may have the rectifier connected or sized wrong but my goal was to convert the ac from the plates into dc for my battery charge.  So far no luck with that part.  As far as voltage readings, I show 74 v. ac when connecting red to copper or aluminum plate and black to an earth ground.  When I connect red to one plate and black to the other I get zero reading, take one off and meter registers again.  You asked the i reading, I guess that is impedance, not sure how to read or adjust that but took a shot.  My meter has an upside U sign, if that is "i" then my reading when set to x10 is 1/2 or maybe .6 but I have no idea what that means. Sorry to be so green at this but I'm tryng.  It seems that when the plasma globe is on electricity is all over my workshop, what I mean is the meter gives reading without touching the wires at times.  I laid a probe down next to a small (1" x 3-4" long)coil spring in my shop and the meter registered volts.  Then I tried placing the metal coil spring on top of the globe inside the air coil just to see what happens and I got good volts, forgot how much.  Then I held the probe close to the spring and got a small electric arc.  that burns steady until the probe touches the spring.  The air gets a strong smell of nagative ions whenever I let it arc.  The odd thing is that you can touch the wires or spring without getting much shock if any.  I held a wire end tight and got a burn but no shock, odd to me.  I can connect a test light to the coil or spring and it burns bright as bright gets.   I just found and ordered a book I didn't know Don wrote titled "An Answer to America's Energy Deficit" by Donald L. Smith.  sold by befreetech thru Amazon.com, it should get here next Wed. perhaps I will learn enough to not electrocute myself when I get it right.  Also I think Peterae was trying to find the length of wire to resonate, I had problems because my neonpro resonates at 38-40 khz, Don uses a unit that resonates at 24.7 mhz not khz meaning a ten foot long wire works for his dipole generator(that is the wavelength for his frequency), my frequency calls for a wire around 6,500 feet in length if my memory is close.    I found a link to show wavelengths for whatever frequency you type in.  If I remember 10 ft. was full or 1/4 wave for Don's 24.7mhz, he says full, half, or quarter length works, the frequency calculator listed something like 119.987 inches.  I don't have any idea how much to shorten mine to resonate and I have no idea where to buy or how to wind that much wire.  I think the key to getting ou must be in resonating the coils like in an isolation transformer, the coils never contact each other in isolation transformers from what I read, they work much like two tuning forks, ring one and the other one in the other room rings.  cool huh

xenomorphlabs

Quote from: bw on August 30, 2009, 03:03:01 AM
I had problems because my neonpro resonates at 38-40 khz, Don uses a unit that resonates at 24.7 mhz not khz meaning a ten foot long wire works for his dipole generator(that is the wavelength for his frequency), my frequency calls for a wire around 6,500 feet in length if my memory is close.

Sorry if i misunderstood you, but Don`s Bertonee (and other) Neon Tube Transformer use the standard frequency range typical for such devices of 10-40 kHz. In his videos he explicitely states his NTF to have a frequency of 30 kHz.
When he mentions 24.7mhz, then he refers to the resonance frequency of the entire resonant circuit (capacitor and inductor) and NOT the transformer.
You are basing your length calculation on a wrong assumption, that`s why your result is thousands of feet.
And look at Don`s table device, there is certainly only a few feet of wire on the secondary coil.
I hope that will get you back on track in building your device :)