Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts

[Peterae]

Hi Yucca
When people spend years refining a device like Don did, i think it's always a good idea to try to replicate fairly closely as i am sure the evolution of the device ended up how it looks for a whole number of reasons.

The only tuning i can think of is the relation of primary being 1/4 of the secondary (20Turn coil)

I doubt his diode would be above 10Mhz, if indeed it was an Ex tv diode then it's operational freq would be approx 17khz, and i am presuming this is the reason he tunes down in freq with such large caps, because else where in his doc's he specify s as higher freq as possible for greater power generation.

What if resonance isn't the whole answer to the power gain, what if the real OU power occurs relative to the natural resonance of the primary-secondary relationship regardless of the capacitors that tune for overall functionality of the system.

I think wire length is the key. tuned resonance is not the answer for OU but is a requirement along with other factors.

Peter
PS my rectifier diode arrived today and i don't seem to have much room to mount it LOL it's 15cm long and 2.5 square section 
100nS 20KV 3Amp

[Yucca]

Hi Yucca
When people spend years refining a device like Don did, i think it's always a good idea to try to replicate fairly closely as i am sure the evolution of the device ended up how it looks for a whole number of reasons.

The only tuning i can think of is the relation of primary being 1/4 of the secondary (20Turn coil)

I doubt his diode would be above 10Mhz, if indeed it was an Ex tv diode then it's operational freq would be approx 17khz, and i am presuming this is the reason he tunes down in freq with such large caps, because else where in his doc's he specify s as higher freq as possible for greater power generation.

What if resonance isn't the whole answer to the power gain, what if the real OU power occurs relative to the natural resonance of the primary-secondary relationship regardless of the capacitors that tune for overall functionality of the system.

I think wire length is the key. tuned resonance is not the answer for OU but is a requirement along with other factors.

Peter
PS my rectifier diode arrived today and i don't seem to have much room to mount it LOL it's 15cm long and 2.5 square section 
100nS 20KV 3Amp

Hi Peter,

That diode sounds beefy and expensive! Don't overvolt it!

What do you think the C of his input tank is, I'm guessing his 2 combined polyprop caps were around 1 ... 2uF 2kV? The 10 turn primary is probably 5...10 uH.

So primary LC resonance night be from  35kHz ... 71kHz, or more fuzzily 10 kHz to 100kHz.

If don says tune to natural resonance of secondary then there's no way his secondary natural freq could be below 10MHz half wave. His big output caps do not form an LC tank, the bridge and output caps appear to only damp the natural oscillation of the output coil. When the output caps are full then the apparent resistance is infinite and oscillation is pretty undamped, when the caps are empty and hungry the output coils natural ringdown is heavily damped and harvested into the caps.

We can almost guarantee that the primary LC frequency in the order of kHz was not matched to the natural frequency of the output coil/s which is in the MHz.

Another thing that I've been thinking is that on the video we see Don say how his devices were OU. But the only physical demonstration he gives is a handheld DC HV coil giving an arc from the output terminal of a 2 alu sheet capacitor, I can replicate that with my LOPTX, tin foil and corrugated card in about 10 seconds and understand why it does that (plates bleed to atmosphere especially at HV). Why not show his suitcase device selfrunning? It's not as if he's kept the device description secret and he does claim it is OU, why not combine those two claims into a real life demonstration? hmmm?

Sorry, I guess I'm in a pessimistic mood, but don't worry I will continue to develop and explore my replication attempt, if nothing else it's teaching me hands on about basic RF electronics. And loads of other proposed OU schemes involve RF.

[Peterae]

Hi Yucca

Lol the diode was £20, now the way i see this is that i could have taken the Mrs down the road for a curry or bought 2 of these, what she cant work out is that we haven't been out for a meal in ages 

Don used 4 turns primary with 2 x 0.1uf 4kv Caps in para

Secondary i count 19 turns each half but he said 20, one of the 20 was in para with a .5 6kv cap.

the problem is we don't understand the true energy gain method and i doubt it would make theoretical sense even if we did.

There are lots of discrepancy's with Don's docs, so we have 2 choices
1) he's a fraud and didnt understand even the basics of theory
or
2) he knows whats wrong with theory and how to make these devices work.

As we are both here i think we can lean towards number 2.

in that case i only have what he says and what he writes to try and see any sense in the way he wires his stuff up, it's worse with the tpu we dont even know how he wired it, so we have a head start here.

I am just trying to stimulate thinking out of the box.

I know what you are saying about Don not showing a working device, i think you have to work on any of these devices with a thought that they maybe a fraud and primarily use the experience as a learning aid, maybe this is the one, best to remain positive.

There has to be a reason Don doesn't tune the diode winding, and there has to be a reason why he tunes the primary and the other secondary, the diode wont possibly rectify the natural resonant freq of the coil so it must be converting something else, i am guessing it's picking up from the tuned primary or the tuned secondary something that would be destroyed with a cap placed across the diode coil.
Who knows, maybe the natural resonant coil is supplying some form of current pumped from the ground and the tuned resonant coil is supplying the voltage, join the 2 together and you get power, my theory is not good enough to say either way and i am not even sure if theory comes into it.

The thing that worries me was he said the Neon transformer is OU on it's own, is this showing a lack of true understanding as it seems hard to swallow.

what amazes me is how the hell did Tesla get on without a scope LOL

[Yucca]

Peter,
Lol, you should rustle up a homebrew curry for your better half to keep her sweet, plenty of onions fried in plenty of butter until caramalised and then just bung stuff in (meat, veg etc) with curry powder and Yoghurt and coconut powder for a korma, tomato puree for baltis masalas etc.

I will remain positive, it's the only way to proceed as you say.

Maybe a NST is OU at resonance if the input is set up as a tuned tank thats pumped at secondary resonance? easy enough to test with HV diode bridge and cap bank on the output, hmmm.

Speaking of testing, one thing I really need to get hold of is a variety of purely resistive shunts like say 0.1, 1 and 10 Ohm. At RF wirewounds are too inductive. I've read a saltbath and stainless electrodes makes a good zero inductance shunt but it's not practical and I don't want brine all over my bench and equipment.

p.s.
can you recommend any uk seller for castellated Grommet Strip that would sell a meter or two?

[Peterae]

it's interesting in the clear picture of the secondary that xeno gave us has a gap of 3 screw terminals on the tuned cap secondary but only 1 on the diode coil.

Well on the cap side we have the width of the cap itself, but then on the diode side why not use 2 terminals for the gap why only use 1, well maybe because the diode coil was a fixed length and was too long to use the end terminal, but just right to stretch to the one it's on.

So it's important that both secondaries are the same length, but why because one has the cap on, so why is it important that both are the same length?