New invention of motion less generation of electric power

[EMdevices]

Ali,

let's not get carried away with the power factor discussions. 

You demonstrated a video with a watt-meter.  I am telling you that you can fool the watt-meter with high frequency switching.   Are you telling me you don't use switching?  Also, have you tested your device with another type of power meter?   I suggest you use an oscilloscope to see the instantaneus voltage and current.   

regards,
EM

[winsonali]

EM

you are right we shouldn't get ourselves involve in power factor issue
all the discussions are related to increase our knowledge base so please don't get offended
what i means to say that "-According to you -If high frequency can fool watt meter then 80% of devices in our homes use SMPS that use high frequency switching

in our test for device we will not use watt meter for sure.

as far as oscilloscope  shots are concerned we will do it
what we need testing procedure to establish fairly the results of the device i hope you can help us in this and send us step by step procedure for testing my device

Ali

[EMdevices]

Ali,

take a look at my diagram.  This is very simple to do.  Just make sure you use a high wattage resistor for your application.   If you don't have a calibrated load resistor, then do the same to the output, i.e. use a series resistor to measure current, in addition to the voltage.

Just post the oscilloscope shots and we can calculate the power ourselves.

One comment about SMPS supplies,   they have a rectifier bridge, and current flows on both the positive and negative cycles, then there is usually a choke to suppress the high frequency currents from traveling back out to the grid, so if they're designed correctly they won't put out a lot of interference.  But if you just connect and disconnect a capacitor at a high frequency to the line, and especially if you do it on only one polarity, you will have an average DC current flow.  This will be able to pass through the induction watt-meter and it won't be accounted for.  "Free energy", no not really, just fooling the meter.

EM

[hartiberlin]

Hi EM,
do you claim, that ALI´s device can fool the triac in the
dimmer circuit ?

Do you claim, that although the dimmer is set to 30 Volts chopped AC
Ali´s circuit is somehow "electronically" opening longer the TRIAC in his
dimmer circuit ?

I guess this is the only way I would see that his circuit could "jam"  back the dimmer
and the meter won´t show it ?

So then the only way to measure it right would be the way to feed
ALI´s circuit with a pure 30 Volts DC input source.

Then use an analog input current meter directly at the 30 Volts DC source ( e.g. battery)
and after the input current meter go to lowpass filters
before going into ALI´s input circuit.

This way any RF from the input might now disturb or jam back the input
current meter cause it is filtered via the lowpass filter.

So we can measure pure DC input power by just multiplying Volts x Amps.

This would be the best input power measurements.

Surely the best and most accurate and easiest output power measurement
would also be a DC measurement.

So it would be preferred to use a brigde rectifier and a charge cap and
measure this way across a load resistor pure DC output power levels.

The charge cap needs to be big enough, so there will be no ripple from
the 50 Hz at the load resistor.

So if Ali could do these measurements, maybe using 2 x 12 Volts batteries
in series as the input, he might get a much better power measurement setup
that is more reliable.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. The siphon effect sounds very exciting and I wonder how this will
work for electrons ?
Please post more infos, if you can.
Many thanks.

[gyulasun]

Hi Ali,

I am sure you are careful but let me notice to use 1:1 mains isolator transformer for the oscilloscope or a 220V/30V transformer for your device to defend you equipment from braking down when connect the ground test probes of the scope to the mains input of your device.

STEFAN: Ali's device needs 30V AC input, doesn't it?  He wrote it in Reply #50..

rgds, Gyula