Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[plengo]

One thing that might not be obvious on the schematics is that SW1 is always OFF while the system is running. It is a push button.

Fausto.

[plengo]

I am running my 3 batteries right now in semi-auto mode where I only pulse them every 20 minutes using a relay and an old function generator, very crude but at least it allows me to keep it running for the week while I work and hopefully I soon will have this controller switch doing it but more inteligently.

I really thing there is something weird in this behavior here. As a matter of Fact I saw a DVD from Bedini (must be energy from the vacuum 5 or 6 or something like that) where he is showing his SSG and a Window Motor and than he decides to on-the-fly change the window motor circuitry to make it an SSG to show it charging a battery (a battery that he already showed before in the same DVD being charged using a 6 pole SSG) but then that battery did not want to charge at all so he got very upset in front of the camera and did something that did not sound right to me at the time, he loaded the battery straight to a car light and reduced its voltage to almost kill it, something like under 9volts then he connected that battery back to the modified Window Motor and the baby was charging super fast to above 14 volts in front of the camera in no time. He even went to the effort to show that that charge was NOT a ghost charge but in fact a real charge.

Well, today I was thinking about that and realized that what I am doing with the swiching is exactly the same thing but in a more regular way and also sending that load to instead of a car lamp to the other back-end battery which is excellent.

So my idea now is not so far fectched as someone may think. It is indeed very well known by Bedini.

Fausto.

[Flux4Energizer]

@ Plengo

Oke thanks for your explenation.
I have four 12Volt 2Ah batteries lying around and enough parts so i dicided
to build the circuit (with a 12Volt 200mA fan), just to test the sw1 and the battery behavior.
I found that battery 1 (run battery) is being discharged at very slow rate, battery 2 (run battery) is being slowly charged and battery 3 is slowly being charged.
However, battery 3 won't go over 11.02 Volt!!!
And even more important battery 1 is discharging faster as battery 2 & 3 getting charged up.
So now the sw1; i pressed this for very short time and i must say it does behave in a way i can't realy explain right now (but maybe i missed something). Battery 2 is dropping voltage and battery 1 is dropping voltage but battery 3 is gaining voltage (between 12.45Volt and 13.13Volt). But this is only when the sw1 button is pushed, when you let go the batteries go back to their old values except for battery 1 this one wil drop sometimes as much as 0.01Volts!
Maybe i do it wrong, i don't know!

[plengo]

@Flux4Energizer,

very good. Try to make the SSG run as slow as possible. I usually put the pot on the base of the transistor to its highest voltage so that it will spin the fan and still consume around no more than 20ma of current.

You are doing great. Using the switch SW1 + SW2 position A is behaving just like I see it too. Very good. That's what I call putting it in "unbalanced mode". Now let it run for awhile.

If you are using the diode D2 (n5408) you should see battery B3 charging and B1 charging and B2 discharging but very slowly. After one hour or two, momentarily (for less than 1/10 of a second) make SW1 + SW2 position B (B only no position A). Do that every hour or so and what the voltages of all. It should increase the total voltage in the whole system, even if some batteries are going down.


After may be a day or so you see B2 very low in voltage and B3 very high, you switch them as the following: B1 goes to B2, B2 goes to B3 and B3 goes to B1. So the lowest in voltage will be the back-end.  You are now ready for a new start and again watch the total voltage in the system.

Fausto.

[mscoffman]

Fausto;

People involved with Bedini Fan SGS's need to really study these
Plengo topic posts carefully because he seems to be presenting
the "missing link" between Bedini motors and overunity energy
production! IMHO.

I have a 12V Bedini fan which doesn't create enough BEMF...
see below. So I can not confirm what Fausto is showing here,
yet. But Fausto should be proud of what he has done so far.
I distinctly hope Fausto has microcontroller development
capabilities.

@ Plengo

I have four 12Volt 2Ah batteries lying around and enough parts so i dicided
to build the circuit (with a 12Volt 200mA fan), just to test the sw1 and the battery behavior.
I found that battery 1 (run battery) is being discharged at very slow rate, battery 2 (run battery) is being slowly charged and battery 3 is slowly being charged.
However, battery 3 won't go over 11.02 Volt!!!

I have tried the 12Volt Fans with the Bedini circuit but these fans
do not create enough Bemf back EMF pulse voltage to overcome
the silicon diode voltage drop plus the battery voltage for the
Charge Battery .

So Simply: "~YOU MUST USE A CONVERTED ~ 48VDC FAN!",
not a 12Volt fan. These 48V fans are surprisingly inexpensive. The
reason is that the 48VDC Fan has more inductance in it's field coils
so it creates a much larger voltage spike. This is an Inhoptep circuit
problem.

By the way what I did was to cut and paste all the text that
plengo has posted on this topic and put it into a text editor and
edited it...I think this is very good evidence of the scientific method.


So the strong points of Plengo's methods;

a) He uses a 48 volt Fan

b) He seems to have found a method to produce
power using the 'balanced" and "unbalanced" state
situation.

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Weak points;

a) The Bedini motor does not self start, so a method of
self starting is required that uses battery power to do it.
(Else you have a potential for a "hand magnet" too).

b) While I think that max(Voltage batA + Voltage batB + Voltage batC)
is a probably valid way to measure the system state of charge, it is
not a technical proof of the the total energy state of charge
in the system. Just don't get too disappointed if the above is true.

c) damp-out shorting switch arcing with a small value capacitor.
No MHD magnetohydro dynamic energy generation please.

d) A valid microcontroller for this will not be able to watch
7 decimal digit volt meters to detect a voltage change,
this would be too expensive to do in a final system.

But I would like to suggest you look at the following;

You mentioned that the RPM of the fan increases from the
"unbalanced" to the "balanced" state situation. My suggestion is
that you use Fan RPM to designate the system state of charge.

A microcontroller could easily find relative Fan RPM by interfacing to
the field drive signal. The microcontroller would watch relative
Fan RPM and as it maximises it would then go though the system
"unbalancing" sequence. If the sequence is short enough then
it could swap batteries via relays. The microcontroller can still watch
the battery voltage but would not need 7 digits accuracy to do it.

e) Battery swapping takes a largish number of reed relays.

f) radiant energy = static electricity. Static electricity needs
to be isolated from microcontroller hardware.

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The final goal should be to create a system that can continually
fully runs itself while power a small known load. When the system
runs itself for longer then the batteries could power the load directly
then that is proof of overunity.

:S:MarkSCoffman