Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[plengo]

Thanks guruji for participating.

The schematics has been 2 pages before published. The problem you will face is the switching mechanism used. I have a circuit built by Groundloop with my own assembler language programming. I am only expanding on that original design and trying every "monkey science" possible.

Sorry for not being able to give you more. If you play with it you should see this strange behavior that I am seeing.

Fausto.

[YeahRight]

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@YeaRight,

please do not start a flame discussion here. Open another thread for your ideas and concerns, besides Bedini CLEARLY states the COP > 1 is NOT in his machines but in the process inside the batteries.

Fausto

[mscoffman]

From: MarkCoffman

Hi!

On Sterling Allen’s Peswiki site, I saw the following quote from a Naysayer;

>I played with this kind of stuff [Bedini SGS] for three months a few years
>ago when I launched the Bedini SG open source project. I got quite
>excited several times, thinking I was seeing overunity, but whenever I
>waited long enough, and tested properly, the system always showed a
>net loss in power, as conventional science would predict. In other words,
>I could not prove with my system that some kind of external (free) energy
>was being harvested. I did see some interesting effects, but nothing
>practical.

On overunity.com [this thread] from user Plengo I saw the following;

>Updates: Last night I purchased... new lead acid batteries … Very small in
>size and ideal for this application. I charged them last night using my 6
>pole Bedini SSG. As a matter of fact, I charged all 6 batteries at once
>using my super 6 pole with no problems and no warming or damage to any
>of the batteries. What a technology!!!

Ok…Now, I do not see how both of the above statements can true. So I
would like to propose a very simple experiment to Plengo. This would find
overunity energy on the basis that; it takes no more energy from the real
Bedini SGS source battery to charge multiple charge batteries, then it does
to charge one. After all this device is supposedly gaining energy from the
much vaunted “radiant energy” source.

Proposed Experiment:

• So take six acid lead batteries (they don’t particularly need to be the
same capacity)

• Buy six Radio Shack DPDT 12Vdc double pole double throw relays and
power these from a boundary power supply.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062483

• Wire these relays to put a batteries in parallel with the “Source” side of
the real Bedini SGS when a relay is “On” and in parallel with “Charge” side
when the relay is “Off”. Very Simple.

• Use the microcontroller to turn on one battery at a time in round robin
fashion and go on to the next after N times ½ hour intervals. The N is
given as a variable at system start up time.

Note: For an N=8 (four hour) source intervals, a particular battery will be
able to recharge on the SGS for nearly 20 hours.

• 00#000 -> 000#00 -> 0000#0 -> 00000# -> #00000 ->0#0000 ->
00#000 ->...    ;       # - Source battery, 0 â€" Parallel charge battery

• Manually use a DVM to see if the charge battery bank voltage is going up
with time or if it is going down with time. If it is going up, then we have
probably seen overunity energy and we can complete the instrument. If it
is going down, then I will shut up and quit bugging this thread. 

{eoe}

If this works we can complete the instrument and then Plengo will be able
to see positively whether the experiments he conducts are actually
increasing the amount of excess energy, negatively decreasing the
amount, or not effecting the amount at all.

What do you think of this Plengo?


:S:MarkSCoffman

[mscoffman]

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@YeaRight,

please do not start a flame discussion here. Open another thread for your ideas and concerns, besides Bedini CLEARLY states the COP > 1 is NOT in his machines but in the process inside the batteries.

Fausto

I agree, although I don't like suppressing anyone.

One important point in users YeaRight previous post is "Why the motor
form of the SGS?" The Answer is: it is better to have energy generated
in the form of a "unit" that provides energy gain; that is
have some  energy-out = fixed-gain times energy-in (as a control signal);
then it is to have energy invested in a fixed form that can go out of control
all at once.

Think of a large tank of distilled petroleum and a lit cigarette,
or dissolving 5 pounds of pure plutonium into a plastic bucket of nitric acid
and 5 pounds into another bucket and then pouring them together.
Or accidentally running a tanker truck filled with butane into
expressway retaining wall at 70Mph...I think you get the picture.

---

YeaRight ask; "Why not use capacitors rather than batteries?";
Fausto said it; Where the actual gain is vested in
unkown structures in a Bedini machine although
I have suggested I think there are four places where
extra energy could be coming in. Battery chemistry would probably
play roles in these, although electrolytic capacitors (contains water)
may see these too. Other type of capacitors like oil filled or tantalum
should not see some of these.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[plengo]

@mscoffman,

interesting idea but I could not understand very well the logical distribution of the batteries in this scheme. Can you please describe it again? I am willing to carry that test. (sorry for removing your reply to Yeahright inappropriate post).

I use the term "front-end" equals the "driving" battery that runs the SSG and "back-end" the "charging" battery.

Now, I know for a fact by experience and from Bedini's own words that you CAN NOT run an SSG with the battery that was charged by the SSG because it is charged with a different kind of energy, so if you switch the batteries long enough the overall voltages WILL go down.

That's is why on the Bedini's forums at Yahoo we do the load test which is basically measuring how much energy goes into the "front-end" of the SSG (conventional energy cost) and how much energy you can TAKE OUT from the "charged" or "back-end" batteries using also a conventional load test (a lamp or resistor cross the batteries terminals).

We do not measure how much goes into the "back-end" battery.

This way one can compare the input total energy against the outputED energy FROM the battery. In versus Out.

Another thing that many fail to understand is that Bedini is not advocating his machines to be COP > 1, he is emphatically saying that the COP is IN the batteries.

Fausto.