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Overunity Machines Forum



Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model

Started by WattBuilder, September 14, 2009, 03:19:15 AM

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onthecuttingedge2005

use a really loose bearing in place of the servo. as the arm falls to one side so should the top magnet support.

something like this;

WattBuilder

Quote from: spoondini on October 27, 2009, 05:01:34 PM
I'm sure the torque can be increased through some trial/error in the mag arrays.  I think you've done it man.

@Spoodini,
Yup, just like we post before about using different types of magnetic arrays. We can always increase the amount of energy gain by using stronger magnets. Cheers!

Quote from: broli on October 27, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
Nice indeed, you pulled out that servo installation pretty quickly. I bet this will catch some attention, remember to give assistance to replicators and ignore the skeptics.

Howard what's your take on putting this system horizontally without the pendulum concept.

@Broli,
I had the parts already and the hobby store was close.
Sure,
Replicators I’m at your service.

As far as this system horizontally ?  I’m not at the point yet to take on that challenge. Maybe one day.

Quote from: powercat on October 27, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
Are you going to apply for the Overunity prize ? [when it runs itself and produces power]

I wonder if a small-scale version can be built ?
Where are all those people that spent their time on the Mylow Motor,
looks like it's time for another replication

@PowerCat
No, But If Stefan decides to award me the title or trophy I’ll accept it but as far as the cash. I will request for him to either and pass it to the next winner or charity at his discretion.

As for a smaller scale version? Possible but the larger the YOG the larger the gain.

Quote from: MileHigh on October 27, 2009, 07:34:55 PM
Here is the test that Howard should have done to double check his results:

@MileHigh
Ummm,  Of course I did.. I do have it right here you know.
As far as the child shifting the weight? It does to a point but, for the child to gain higher and higher swings. The child must add more energy to the next swing then the previous amount of energy in the first swing, in order to gain.

I don’t know how to increase the energy of the servo rotating 180 degrees? Do you?

Did you forget to add in the energy gain from the magnetic array as well?

MileHigh don’t forget to put on your own thinking cap.

Quote from: hartiberlin on October 27, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Can you get the energy out of the magnet array at the top via coils to turn the drive magnet to get rid of batteries all in all ?

@Stefan,
Your absolutely right !!!
If I cannot get rid of the batteries all in all. Judging by what other members have proven all ready using coils to collect energy from the magnets as it passes….. it will be awfully darn close !

Cheers everyone !


Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk
 

MileHigh

Howard:

QuoteAs far as the child shifting the weight? It does to a point but, for the child to gain higher and higher swings. The child must add more energy to the next swing then the previous amount of energy in the first swing, in order to gain.

That is not correct.  The child just has to add the same amount of energy each time.  Each additional addition of energy by the child results in the swing getting slightly higher, exactly like you are demonstrating in your clip.

The principle behind the operation of your device is that every time you get to the end of a swing, your servo turns the magnet around by 180 degrees.  That we can agree on, correct?

You note that the center of mass of the magnet is not centered relative to the axis of the arm.

Suppose you imagine a much more idealized situation, the upper arm of the pendulum swings to the far left and slows down and comes to a stop for a fraction of a second.  At that moment your servo swings the mass of the magnet around by 180 degrees in 1/10 of a second.

To make it easier to visualize let's just imagine that the arm is not moving at all and has no momentum when in fact is slows down, stops, and then reverses direction.

So what happens when the servo rotates the magnet by 180 degrees, knowing that the magnet's center of gravity is not lined up with the center axis of the arm?  Momentum has to be conserved, so when the mass of the magnet swings from the left to the right (the 180 degree turn) we know that the arm has to move to the left a bit.

In other words, when the mass of the magnet swings from left to right, the arm moves a tiny bit from the right to the left to converve the momentum.  Can you see this?

So what does that mean?  When the arm moves a tiny bit from the left to the right, your set of barbell weights at the bottom of the pendulum moves UP a tiny bit.  That adds gravitational potential energy to the system.

Exactly the same thing happens on the other side of the swing.  The mass swings from the right to the left, the arm moves a tiny bit from the left to the right, and the set of the barbell weights at the bottom of the pendulum moves UP a tiny bit, adding gravitational potential energy to the system.

Another way of saying all of this is that each time you move the magnet with the servo, you are increasing the angle of the swing.  Increasing angle of the swing means that the barbell weights at the bottom of the pendulum are being raised higher and higher every time you flip the mass of the magnet around.

That's the real deal Howard - this will work with or without the array of magnets, the energy comes from the batteries, I suggest that you check again.

MileHigh

onthecuttingedge2005

What matters most.

input watts vs. output watts, period.

nothing else matters.

ATT

Taking a cue from onthecuttingedge and taking into consideration MileHigh's sage advice, have you considered playing around with something along these lines?

onthecuttingedge had a good thought but you need the magnet to turn the other way at the bottom of the swing.

MileHigh makes a good point, but if the mag-array really does have anything to do with it, it'd be interesting to follow-up on that theory.

In this case, the pivot-counterweight and the magnet-weight could both be close to the same weight (favoring the counterweight), since your now depending on geometry and gravity to change the configuration of the top pivot arm.

After some tuning and possible adjustment of the bottom counterweight to allow for the additional mass imposed by the top counterweight, all things should again be 'equal' on the 'playing-field' and any significant additional force would necessarily have to come from the overhead magnetic array, should any additional force be available.

The bias shown would only put the magnet about 8-deg off-center, which shouldn't effect much as far as flux-lines are concerned.

Tony