Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model

[Asymatrix]

Markdanise, how do you figure it could show the clear gain we see with each pass, without the magnet array? He stops the servo at one point and it starts to slow down, then engages the servo and we see the gain increase.

[spoondini]

You just made the point, shifting servo equals gain.  Servo stops, yog stops.  Must be eliminated before we can assume the magnet array causes 'continuous' gain.

[MileHigh]

Just for fun I will take another crack at this.

Adminonduty's clip is actually showing you proof that magnets are not a source of energy.  The reason for this is that you have to go through a closed loop to check for any net energy gain or loss in a magnetic field.  In his clip if you go one way it appears that you gain energy, and if you go the other way it appears that you loose energy.  But the rule says that you have to do a complete loop, and in this case you have to go one way and then back to complete the loop, and then you get a net zero gain in energy.

The same thing applies to Howard's setup.  If you think that the system is gaining in energy in one direction, then you can do the following thought experiment:  Flip the whole setup so that it is horizontal and imagine that the arms are strong and stay straight.  Now you don't even have to flip the magnet at the end of the arm around if the array really is giving you energy.

If you do this horizontal setup you know that you have eliminated gravity from the equation.  Therefore if you are gaining energy as you go through the array in one direction, then why not just let the arm keep rotating all the way around so that it can come back for another pass through the magnetic array to pick up even more energy?

The answer is that this will not happen, the magnet at the end of the arm will have gone through a closed loop and there will be no net gain in energy.  There is just no escaping this reality.  Even if you can make a perfect mechanism to rotate the magnet at the end of the arm in Howard's actual setup, just the process of rotating the magnet will require energy, as anyone knows when they try to push two magnets together when the same poles are facing each other.

Therefore, the perceived energy gain that you can get by flipping the magnet around at the end of each swing will be canceled out by the energy required to turn the magnet around because you will be fighting against the magnetic field produced by the array.

Howard's setup is a mechanical resonator, just like an LC oscillator, a.k.a. a tank circuit.  A fixed amount of energy is put into the system and then oscillates back and forth between gravitational potential energy (M x G x h) and rotational energy (1/2 Moment_of_inertia x angular_velocity-squared).

Sitting on top of the operation of this oscillator is the magnetic array that acts like a "disturbance torque" that is acting on the swinging pendulum.  This disturbance torque is a function of the angle of the pendulum and can be measured at any point in the swing.  The disturbance torque either accelerates the swing or slows down the swing, it all depends what angle you are at and which direction the swing is going in.

When you look at a full swing, back and forth, you are going through the closed loop that I referred to above.  The net energy gain or loss in the rotational energy of the pendulum after you go through a full swing back and forth is zero.

It seems like everyone agrees that the servo and the unbalanced weight are adding energy.  Therefore the added energy from the servo actions are sitting on top of everything that I just described above.

What that means is that if you set the pendulum swinging and you time the servo system properly, you will see roughly the same increase in the swing angle of the pendulum with or without the magnetic array in place.

I probably won't post again on this thread, I think I covered all the bases here.  I will just repeat the same advice I gave to Howard a while back:  Give yourself one year to get something tangible and if you can't after one year then quit the project and move on to something else.  Many people would tell you that there is no point in spending five or six years chasing after a dream that will never materialize.

MileHigh

[WattBuilder]

@Synchro1,
Yup, that sounds like it may work too.

Cheers,
Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Spoondini,
I may have to go after that title too.
Just looking around at all these routes and possibilities. How can any rational man not see the finish line?


Btw, the YOG takes longer to stop because it’s transferring out the magnetic energy.

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Powercat
No not yet. I’m still fighting with building this turbine. I need to see what kind of watts I currently have with this test YOG. I may have already achieved OU with it? The servo is currently using 1.3 watts for 2 seconds per each cycle.
I wish I can just order one of those ironless generators instead of trying to build one from local store parts.

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

[WattBuilder]

@MileHigh,

We’ll I guess that was it!

Your final attempt and greatest argument that you can come up with.

So you’re claiming that the one cycle YOG video does not show gain energy from the magnetic array. That is lifting 12lbs of weight higher then without the magnets.

We’ll everybody he just proved he is an official TROLL.

The same thing applies to Howard's setup.  If you think that the system is gaining in energy in one direction, then you can do the following thought experiment:  Flip the whole setup so that it is horizontal and imagine that the arms are strong and stay straight.  Now you don't even have to flip the magnet at the end of the arm around if the array really is giving you energy.

If you do this horizontal setup you know that you have eliminated gravity from the equation.  Therefore if you are gaining energy as you go through the array in one direction, then why not just let the arm keep rotating all the way around so that it can come back for another pass through the magnetic array to pick up even more energy?

Humm……. Take away the gravity from a pendulum ?

Humm……. Flip the device over horizontal?

It’s like claiming you debunk Howard’s car doesn’t run anymore, buy flipping his car over.  LOL

Then you debate the YOG as a Magnetic Rotory Motor? This is the best you can do? Your not even close.

Even if you can show a video with just a top offset weighted lever reaching the same point as my Proof of gain video.

You can never challenge the extra cycles that the array gets over no array.

Then on top of that even more… by some miracle if you can match the cycles. You still can’t match the speed and time vs no array.

Bottom line your whole case is based on theory and mine are from tests I preformed.


Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk