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Understanding electricity in the TPU.

Started by wattsup, October 18, 2009, 12:28:42 PM

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stprue

@Wattsup

This sounds like a really good direction to move in!  I remember hearing SM mention running a magnet accross a long wire to get a large amount of voltage and then him comparing that by doing the same thing to thousands of of smaller wires.  This would be like the picture you posted with litz wire.

Very interesting!

giantkiller

@w,
Way cool.
Your right side windings look just like Bruce's. I know that he used steel windings in the control coils. In your picture on the right side I am trying to figure out how and where the 2 windings that did not wrap around the 3 layers fully are hidden or where they wrap to in SM's pictures.
If SM made those and not using the blade terminal connections fits in with him hiding things.
With that I can see these little guys made just like yours and Bruce's with garden wire cores.
I will wind a 4 inch one in approximation to the GK4, GK3 and Mighty little.
3 layers using 3 horizontal turns of iron garden wire on each layer. 30awg vertical wound in 3 sections overlapping like in your right hand side section.
Same number of turns but differing lengths has got me thinking. Bruce used stranded copper cores with steel control windings. There he was able to get a magnetic element into his coils. Even though the windings are perpendicular he was able to create a pulsing magnetic toroidal field around the stranded copper core. Precession comes to mind.

With the difference of the magnetic field aligned with the core or in the control coils the pulsing magnetic field still expands and collapses across the perpendicular copper. The stranding also gives a slight angle to the perpendicularity so the flux can still be broken across a wire.

The really great news is I left the capacitor charging across the coil all night, again no power! Nada, not even a battery connection! Stuck an LED across it this morning and BAM! The LED popped! I didn't even think about putting a meter on it. I wonder what that the voltage was. I have 50vdc now.
This all points to major Bloch wall manipulation. A major inrush occurs when the circuit potential is released.

Also now I believe the ECD was just a build to show electrostatic energy and not anything one could pull power from. It is a copper core so with no magnetic capabilities the core field would vanish very quickly as in no latency or storage capability.


Attached:
Itty bitty iron cores of iron garden wire of 3 turns.
First layer, 4 inch diameter done with 22awg rat shack.

giantkiller

3 iron core layers stacked and triple wound all the way around. 1st layer wound, 2nd & 1st layer, 3rd & 2nd & 1st wound.
Red is primary. Will put all in series as in to the primary then the 1st wind and to the 1st layer core then the 2nd wind and to the 2nd layer core, then the 3rd wind and to the 3rd layer core and out. This will fire like a 3 secondary Tesla coil combination pancake hybrid. It worked on the GK4 no reason why it shouldn't work with this one, the GK10. I will couple each successive coil with a BEMF blocking diode to effectively produce a charge pump.

This build took 5 hours. I can crank these out now. The core loops are wound around a duct tape roll and held in place with shrink tubing. 22awg wraps and stays in place. Would have like to use 30awg but too messy. This little guy should kick butt.

@Wattsup,
If I need to match your drawing specifically I can. But there are 1000 ways to skin a cat. This unit will do the trick. Small too! The wife likes that. Seems safer, ha ha! Should charge up by itself.

Update on iron ring:
It ambiently charges up to 125vdc! Now we know why the LED blows. With the meter left in place it only charges to 33vdc. The meter internals cause this. If I hook the meter up and let the ring charge settle down to 33vdc then the current isn't enuff to blow the LED but just light it. Very interesting build.

Magluvin

Looks good Killer

What ya gunna drive it with?


Mags

wattsup

@GK

OK. OK.

Time to make a new ring configuration because the standard one does not make sense.

When you pulse a coil that is wound over a wire, the coil will have a south, a blotch and a north.

So you can wind a coil over that blotch wall to reinforce it.

But that next coil also has a blotch.

So you wind a coil over that to reinforce that one also.

The coils just go in series from the first to the last.

So imagine what will happen when the first coil reinforces the second coil that reinforces the third coil that reinforces the fourth coil that is wound over the center wire. How much south and north potential will be on that wire?

I will try a variation of this with a new FTPU build and see the difference between that one and the one I just made. lol
This will give a real point of comparison. I put a diagram of my next wind below. You see the black coil has two turns on top and one turn on the bottom. The red coil is two turns on the bottom and one turn on the top. The one turns are placed in the center of the two turns so that half the two turns at each end are not influenced. Will make this tomorrow and test it out in the same manner as before.

In the ECD, The CC primary and secondary are all wound together so two coils have big blotch walls that are not reinforced and all over the place.

So as soon as you wind one coil over another coil and those two coils are the same length, you are just doubling the blotch and not reinforcing it. By reinforcing it, I mean this will make the wire have the smallest blotch wall possible and increase the percentage taken up by the north/south forces.

SM said you wind one coil, then another over it, but he never said completely over it. lol

So in your photo above where you have the isolated iron core wind and have that complete coil wound over it, think of adding another coil over that coil but only half the length and have the new coils center be at the first coils center. Then on that second coil make another coil half of the second and so on for as many as you want. Then you can play with how to connect them in series. And you will be able to just pulse the first one to see what the difference is when you add another and another.

All coils have blotch walls and this is the weakest point in the coil because at each end the potentials are so concentrated to become true north or south fields or positive and negative potentials, it is harder to influence these areas with coil overs. So you are better off hitting the blotch wall, and the blotch wall that just gets hit will better reflect it to the coil ends or polarities.

More soon.

wattsup