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Bloch wall disconnect and reconnect. The final design!

Started by giantkiller, October 29, 2009, 02:31:19 PM

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bolt

Quote from: giantkiller on July 15, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
Windings must be carefully designed to give the largest mutual flux possible.

The final input parameters now are:
Some kind of excitation.
A tank or storage.
Capture or feedback the ringing.
Connect for output.

I realize this is simplistic. Each statement has its group following and technology.
@Bolt,
I have the magamps previously wound. I understand the lack of component configuration but like you said 'SM tried tubes first to get the effect'. I am pursuing the excitation stage utilizing the CMOS switching window. Then will attach caps for the tank, the sniffer coil or the like. In my current design I am using a feedback line to add switching noise to the driver line.

Hi GK,

You don't have to use a fet this is my point. In fact you only use a mag amp when you have no choice and it "might" come to that pending how successful the 3 phase pump.  So lets imagine you have a mag amp for a mo. In this condition the only power needed is CMOS control stuff it will run on a 9 volt battery at 10mA easy. There is no need to use 100 watts of fet coil banging i said this from day one.

The cmos control will send a 9 volt pulse into the collector loop via the mag amp. 9 volts is enough to control a mag amp and switch hundreds of amps at thousands of volts. (no wonder they are not used too often nowdays)

The 3 phase configuration gives a KICK automatically as it converts to VARS. A control feedback signal sees the kick and the mag amp controls the inductance as a switch to add pumping at the right moment.  There is no silicone in effect in line of duty only the mag amp switch is in the VARS loop which will build up to 10-20KVARS over 5 seconds. This is the precise thing we see as SM turns on the TPU it doesn't just TURN ON it warms up like an old tube TV. The magnet SM used is to set the bias of the mag amp b phase into higher linear operation. Its a bit like class C rather then class AB. This is why the device can be started IF perfectly balanced without any batteries whatsoever. Yes i understand how this will start with one swipe of a magnet over the collector windings. To do this though requires exceptional gain maybe >1 MIO. This is where the 5khz clock comes into play as the mag amp is switched fast to provide super regen and will end up as "5khz mush sat on top of the DC o/p"

OK so back to a fet its easier and simple to use a fet if you understand what its job it supposed to be. I imagine SM used an EL84 pentode or something here originally as the VARS will present several KV's and dozens of amps in circulation.

SO whats the purpose of creating VARS? To excite the ambient and tap the free energy of course!

giantkiller

I am in total agreement here with you.
I don't bang coils anymore. Why? because the circuit and operation to this day and from my first OU day still seems to like a stun gun ckt with a 'special' or different coil as the last stage. Driven by a 9v battery, transistor oscillator to a charge pump. no coil driven by solid state. With a 'tuned' / in phase pumping to the coil via electrostatics. The stun gun is an EV generator, we know this.
I see the very small drive circuitry just to excite and gently pump. The rest is all reactive harmony.
So where did I go? I wanted to cover all bases with what I didn't know and with I did know. Turn page. The mystery is now over for me but I still a myriad of configurations and applications. But TPU first and foremost.
I do see the mag amp taking the place of the xfmr in the stungun ckt.
Thanks for the response.

Quote from: bolt on July 15, 2010, 06:16:58 PM
Hi GK,

You don't have to use a fet this is my point. In fact you only use a mag amp when you have no choice and it "might" come to that pending how successful the 3 phase pump.  So lets imagine you have a mag amp for a mo. In this condition the only power needed is CMOS control stuff it will run on a 9 volt battery at 10mA easy. There is no need to use 100 watts of fet coil banging i said this from day one.

The cmos control will send a 9 volt pulse into the collector loop via the mag amp. 9 volts is enough to control a mag amp and switch hundreds of amps at thousands of volts. (no wonder they are not used too often nowdays)

The 3 phase configuration gives a KICK automatically as it converts to VARS. A control feedback signal sees the kick and the mag amp controls the inductance as a switch to add pumping at the right moment.  There is no silicone in effect in line of duty only the mag amp switch is in the VARS loop which will build up to 10-20KVARS over 5 seconds. This is the precise thing we see as SM turns on the TPU it doesn't just TURN ON it warms up like an old tube TV. The magnet SM used is to set the bias of the mag amp b phase into higher linear operation. Its a bit like class C rather then class AB. This is why the device can be started IF perfectly balanced without any batteries whatsoever. Yes i understand how this will start with one swipe of a magnet over the collector windings. To do this though requires exceptional gain maybe >1 MIO. This is where the 5khz clock comes into play as the mag amp is switched fast to provide super regen and will end up as "5khz mush sat on top of the DC o/p"

OK so back to a fet its easier and simple to use a fet if you understand what its job it supposed to be. I imagine SM used an EL84 pentode or something here originally as the VARS will present several KV's and dozens of amps in circulation.

SO whats the purpose of creating VARS? To excite the ambient and tap the free energy of course!

sparks

  In older generators they employed saturable core reactors as voltage regulators.  A portion of the ac output from the main windings was rectified and fed into the core of one saturable core reactor.  As ac voltage on the output of the alternator rose this core would saturate at the desired alternator voltage ouput level.   This would allow ac to now pass to a second satcore. This sat core had two control windings one fed from the sensing sat core and one from a reference dc supply.  The two dc supplies mixed in the core of the second satcore in opposition.  As the voltage on the alternator rose the two opposing dc supplies would cancel each other out.  The ac exciter current would see an unsaturated core and no current would pass to the main rotor of the alternator.  These regulators replaced relay technolgy and the need for an exciter generator mechanically coupled to the alternator.  They were rock solid.  Response times pinning down the transient spikes every alternator has when a load is suddenly taken off line or applied.  To mess with them for field service we would place a piece of alnico dc motor field pole magnet on the core laminations and depending on polarity of the magnet make the voltage go up or down.  I was working one that was a standby generator to supply power to a radar tube filament in a large weather monitoring station in case the grid went down.  The tube had to be staged off or the envelope would pop it ran so hot.  All sorts of  military types running around watching weather forming over russia at this installation).  I put the little magnet on the satcore which sends higher dc to the exciter to overcome insulating films that build up on brass brush rings when the standby plant isnt exercised.  The alternator cut in.  They started looking at me like I was in tune with some black majic or something and I put the magnet away fast and got the screwdriver out to gain access to the rotor rings.  They felt much more comfortable with me wielding a screwdriver than the less understood permanent magnet.
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bolt

Quote from: sparks on July 15, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
  In older generators they employed saturable core reactors as voltage regulators.  A portion of the ac output from the main windings was rectified and fed into the core of one saturable core reactor.  As ac voltage on the output of the alternator rose this core would saturate at the desired alternator voltage ouput level.   This would allow ac to now pass to a second satcore. This sat core had two control windings one fed from the sensing sat core and one from a reference dc supply.  The two dc supplies mixed in the core of the second satcore in opposition.  As the voltage on the alternator rose the two opposing dc supplies would cancel each other out.  The ac exciter current would see an unsaturated core and no current would pass to the main rotor of the alternator.  These regulators replaced relay technolgy and the need for an exciter generator mechanically coupled to the alternator.  They were rock solid.  Response times pinning down the transient spikes every alternator has when a load is suddenly taken off line or applied.  To mess with them for field service we would place a piece of alnico dc motor field pole magnet on the core laminations and depending on polarity of the magnet make the voltage go up or down.  I was working one that was a standby generator to supply power to a radar tube filament in a large weather monitoring station in case the grid went down.  The tube had to be staged off or the envelope would pop it ran so hot.  All sorts of  military types running around watching weather forming over russia at this installation).  I put the little magnet on the satcore which sends higher dc to the exciter to overcome insulating films that build up on brass brush rings when the standby plant isnt exercised.  The alternator cut in.  They started looking at me like I was in tune with some black majic or something and I put the magnet away fast and got the screwdriver out to gain access to the rotor rings.  They felt much more comfortable with me wielding a screwdriver than the less understood permanent magnet.

You are very lucky to have this hands on experience.  Mag-amps almost a forgotten art outside of specialized industry or military usage. If i get stuck i know who to call for advice:)

giantkiller

One of the tests I was trying to do to see if the iron ring core can be replaced with a magnetic field.
The simplest thing I came up with was a muli(lamenant) loops of iron wire as the core and this would be small. I will throw the GK4 in this then since it matches the sat core config or I can put a smaller one in. Either way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBX1-POuJMw
Replace the pot with a feedback connection.

Up from antiquity: http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/magnetic%20amplifiers.pdf

Two toroids: http://sparkbangbuzz.com/mag-audio-amp/mag-audio-amp.htm

Quote from: bolt on July 16, 2010, 12:29:27 AM
You are very lucky to have this hands on experience.  Mag-amps almost a forgotten art outside of specialized industry or military usage. If i get stuck i know who to call for advice:)