another way to fight lorentz

[gravityblock]

@mr bogangles
Hi,I have been looking at your setup,ingenious,but IF I understand it right,there will be lenz drag,but it is apposed by the weights,which would tend to be pushed out one side and pulled in the other,so unbalacing the wheel and making it harder for the prime mover.
If I have it wrong,let me know and I will look again.
peter

The counter torque will be on the disc.  The disc will remain upright due to the weight (in a perfect system), but the magnet will still be able to rotate relative to the disc at the same rate or rpm without the lenz drag. 

Think of it as a disc on an axle with a bearing. As you hold the disc stationary, the axle will be rotating but the disc is not.  The only drag on the axle from you holding the disc is the friction from the bearings itself, which is extremely less than the counter torque from you holding the disc.  No matter how you torque the disc, the rotation of the axle won't be opposed by the torque on the disc.  It really is an ingenious setup.

GB

[petersone]

Hi All
It looks like I have it wrong,I thought it worked like a "normal" genny,but it seems to be a HPG,of which I know nothing.I will keep looking.
peter

[petersone]

Hi Gravityblock
Looking again,you said counter torque will be on the disk,will that not try to rotate the disk,all be it slightly,and put the whole thing out of balance?
peter

[gravityblock]

Hi Gravityblock
Looking again,you said counter torque will be on the disk,will that not try to rotate the disk,all be it slightly,and put the whole thing out of balance?
peter

With the weights on the disc, Yes.  The concept should work in a perfect system, but we need to find a way to keep the discs to stay upright without the weights, such as anchoring them down to something.

[mr_bojangles]

well, i thought of something

this is the first thing i could think of, and i made a model really quick because i thought it might be easier than drawing it

basically instead of a counterweight, there is an unfixed axle at the bottom of the disc

looking at my pictures, the black shaded circle represents the magnet, the wood ruler (backwards, explaining the blank side), and the small white gear is the disc

the smaller white gear is used so we can see the magnet behind it easier

then i took a coat hanger and cut it to length, bent it at the end, and put it through a corresponding sized hole so it would be loose enough to spin on the disc

im sure you can see how it works, the rod (coat hanger wire) is limited by its movement, keeping the disc nearly upright while it rotates, but not dramatically

i only used one disc for demonstration purposes and quickness

the big orange thing is just a spacer, the white circle at the bottom is used to keep the coat hanger wire in place, and allows it to slide through

now this could be done with a fixed pole on an axle (to replace the white slip circle at the bottom)

it would better if the slip were on the disc, and a counterweight could be used underneath the axle on the pole so we wouldn't have to account for the weight


ok so it obviously doesn't keep it completely vertical, but it should allow for higher rmp's

il add drawings later as to what i was referring to, in how to make it more efficient, i just spent an hour making that contraption and i need a change of scenery

@gravityblock, let me know what you think of this and if you've thought of anything else either