Joule Thief 101

[Magluvin]

MH, give us proof of your statements below....


1.    Cemf in and Ideal Inductor is not ideal cemf

2.    An Ideal Voltage Source is one that the voltage varies with time


Mags

It will take some time 'looking for' the references on those, before you have to give up.

See folks, if either statement were 'credible' there would be clear documented explanations for them and most likely would have been posted by at least one those that see over us here. And if there isnt, where did the idea of these statements originate? 

So I guess thats the end of that.

Mags

[Magneticitist]

debating these things should really be more an exercise in furthering
the shared goal of this website than trying to prove someone else wrong.
obviously you are only helping your fellow human out by trying to correct
an obvious error on his/her part, but should there ever come an impasse
such as this.. no need to make it a heated discussion. we are merely
discussing theoretical things.

I can totally respect the defense everyone here applies to their argument with
a fiery passion.. but if some of us believe, myself included, that MH's original
question would not result in any current flow.. and the opposing argument
wishes us to see the light and actual truth of things as they see it.. if there comes the point
at which they feel they have presented more logic than necessary to defend their
conclusion and the opposition has not budged, then eventually there comes a time
to simply agree to disagree. Further discussion could ensue in an attempt to convey
arguments in other ways that may offer new perspective, but not if either side of
the argument simply assumes the opposition is being spiteful and difficult just for the
sake of being spiteful and difficult.

for example I suppose MH and Mags you have history.. well I'm not going
to sit here and try to play Dr. Phil like some jackass, but surely you are
civilized enough to put that history behind you for the sake of an untainted debate.
I wasn't there and don't know what the beef was/is but both of you are intelligent
and formidable so if you can't apologize to each other, or just 'let it go', then I'm
starting to get confused because it honestly seems like the root of the problem
between you two in particular is the ridiculing manner in which each of you have
addressed one another in the past. Those seem like two equal and opposing forces that
should be able to cancel each other out until they could be said to not exist!

see what I did there?

[MileHigh]

Mags:

Nobody that has a clue about electronics can take you seriously about the voltage source.  Prancing around and saying "Disprove my statement about 'ideal CEMF'" when everybody knows that that is just a spur-of-the-moment "Bradism" is pure farce.  It the old shift-the-burden-of-proof game that has come up ad nauseam on the forums.  You know the drill, "Prove my free energy machine doesn't work."  So you are a pitch man with a tired old song and dance and a crusty dirty old bow tie that's seen better days.

You are out here prancing around like a tired old song and dance man because poor Brad had a really bad moment and you want to draw attention away from that by doing the Dancing Chicken dance and trying an old carny pitch.  It's not working and all of the real electronics people that aren't even on this forum but just lurk for the fun and comedy factor, they are all standing around laughing harshly among themselves and looking at at the poor Dancing Chicken carny guy.

[Magneticitist]

 

[Magluvin]

Mags:

Nobody that has a clue about electronics can take you seriously about the voltage source.  Prancing around and saying "Disprove my statement about 'ideal CEMF'" when everybody knows that that is just a spur-of-the-moment "Bradism" is pure farce.  It the old shift-the-burden-of-proof game that has come up ad nauseam on the forums.  You know the drill, "Prove my free energy machine doesn't work."  So you are a pitch man with a tired old song and dance and a crusty dirty old bow tie that's seen better days.

You are out here prancing around like a tired old song and dance man because poor Brad had a really bad moment and you want to draw attention away from that by doing the Dancing Chicken dance and trying an old carny pitch.  It's not working and all of the real electronics people that aren't even on this forum but just lurk for the fun and comedy factor, they are all standing around laughing harshly among themselves and looking at at the poor Dancing Chicken carny guy.

that is what I expected from you. As I just said a post or 2 ago.  lol  I was right!!!     Again, more distraction from the arguments at hand. Still no answers. None.


"Nobody that has a clue about electronics can take you seriously about the voltage source."

Then I challenge that statement!   Go ask Poynt or TK to please come here and correct me on this.  You made a claim in that statement. Make it happen. They are not doing it on their own, so it may be a tough thing to provide clear explanations as too clearing up your 2 claims below......


1.    Cemf in and Ideal Inductor is not ideal cemf

2.    An Ideal Voltage Source is one that the voltage varies with time


You have not denied that you make these statement claims after my repeated questioning, yet you will not in any way clearly explain your standing by these statements. Look over the pages and you have not given any. But there is you beating around the bush and resorting to posts such as above and expect that to fix things?

Magluvin