Global Warming

[silverfish]

Hi,

That website would never qualify as a peer review. The opposite is happening to,

Quote from WikiPedia on the Himalayan Mountains,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayan_Mountains#Glaciers_and_river_systems
"In recent years scientists have monitored a notable increase in the rate of glacier retreat across the region as a result of global climate change.^[5] Although the effect of this won't be known for many years it potentially could mean disaster for the hundreds of millions of people who rely on the glaciers to feed the rivers of northern India during the dry seasons.^[6] ""According to a UN climate report, the Himalayan glaciers that are the sources of Asia's biggest rivers could disappear by 2035 as temperatures rise and India, Tibet, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Myanmar could experience floods followed by droughts in coming decades.^[7]"
Quote from WikiPedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayan_Mountains#Impact_on_climate
"To complicate matters, temperatures are rising more rapidly here than the global average. In Nepal the temperature has risen with 0.6 degree over the last decade, whereas the global warming has been around 0.7 over the last hundred years.^[8]"


Vanishing Himalayan Glaciers Threaten a Billion
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/42387/story.htm

Glaciers melting at alarming speed (The Tibetan and Xinjiang glaciers)
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90879/6222327.html


Regards,
Paul

Is that so? consider the following:


Experts question theory on global warming
(Himalayan glaciers not shrinking)



New Delhi - 11 Feb 07 - Some glacial experts have questioned the alarmists theory on global warming leading to shrinkage of Himalayan glaciers. VK Raina, a leading glaciologist and former ADG of GSI is one among them.

He feels that the research on Indian glaciers is negligible. Nothing but the remote sensing data forms the basis of these alarmists observations and not on-the-spot research.

Raina told the Hindustan Times that out of 9,575 glaciers in India, research has been conducted only on about 50. Nearly 200 years data has shown that nothing abnormal has occurred in any of these glaciers.

The issue of glacial retreat is being sensationalised by a few individuals, the septuagenarian Raina claimed.

However, Dr RK Pachouri, Chairman, Inter-Governmental Panel of Climatic Change said it’s recently released fourth assessment report has recorded increased glacier retreat since the 1980s.

But Raina, who has been associated with the research and data collection in over 25 glaciers in India and abroad, debunked the theory that Gangotri glacier is retreating alarmingly.

Maintaining that the glaciers are undergoing natural changes witnessed periodically, he said recent studies in the Gangotri and Zanskar areas (Drung- Drung, Kagriz glaciers) have not shown any evidence of major retreat.

"Claims of global warming causing glacial melt in the Himalayas are based on wrong assumptions," said Raina, a trained mountaineer and skiing expert.

There are only about a dozen scientists working on glaciers in India under the aegis of the Geological Society of India. How can one talk about the state of glaciers when not much research is being done on the ground, he wondered.

In fact, it is difficult to ascertain the exact state of Himalayan glaciers as these are very dusty as compared to the ones in Alaska and the Alps. The present presumptions are based on the cosmatic study of the glacier surfaces.

Nobody knows what is happening. Whatever is being flaunted about the under surface activity of the glaciers is merely presumptions, he claimed.

His views were echoed by Dr RK Ganjoo, Director, Regional Centre for Field Operations and Research on Himalayan Glaciology, who is supervising study of glaciers in Ladakh region including one in the Siachen area. He also maintained that nothing abnormal has been found in any of the Himalyan glaciers studied so far by him.

Another leading geologist MN Koul of Jammu University, who is actively engaged in studying glacier dynamics in J&K and Himachal holds similar views. Referring to his research on Kol glacier ( Paddar, J&K) and Naradu (HP), he said both the glaciers have not changed much in the past two decades.

See full article by Anil Anand at:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1925164,0008.htm
Thanks to Jack Holland for this link

[silverfish]

Here's a (partial) list of the
specific glaciers that are growing:    



    * NORWAY
            Ã...lfotbreen Glacier
            Briksdalsbreen Glacier
            Nigardsbreen Glacier
            Hardangerjøkulen Glacier
            Hansebreen Glacier
            Jostefonn Glacier
            Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
              is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
              part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
              which has steadily increased in mass since the
              1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

    * Norway's glaciers growing at record pace.  The face of the Briksdal glacier,
      an off-shoot of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is growing by an
      average 7.2 inches (18 cm) per day. (From the Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende.)


      Click here to see mass balance of Norwegian glaciers:
      http://www.nve.no/

            Choose "English" (at top of the page), choose "Water,"
            then "Hydrology," then "Glaciers and Snow" from the menu.
            You'll see a list of all significant glaciers in Norway.
                                (Thanks to Leif-K. Hansen for this info.)
    * CANADA
            Helm Glacier
            Place Glacier
            Glaciers growing on Canada’s tallest mountain
            17 Nov 08 â€" The ice-covered peak of Yukon's soaring Mount Logan
            may be due for an official re-measurement after readings that suggest
            this country's superlative summit has experienced a growth spurt.
            See Glaciers growing on Canada’s tallest mountain

    * France
           Mt. Blanc
    * ECUADOR
            Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier
       
    * Italy
           Winter snows did not all melt on Italy’s Presena Glacier this summer
           10 Nov 09 - 'Their massive base depth last season meant it didn’t all melt
           over the summer so they have nearly a metre and a half of snow on the glacier
           ski area already." (The second story of this kind in two years.)
           See Winter snows did not all melt on Italy’s Presena Glacier this summer

    * SWITZERLAND
            Silvretta Glacier

    * KIRGHIZTAN
           Abramov

    * RUSSIA
           Maali Glacier (This glacier is surging. See below)


>                                                     More info below



    * GREENLAND See Greenland Icecap Growing Thicker 
      Greenland glacier advancing 7.2 miles per year! The BBC recently ran
      a documentary, The Big Chill, saying that we could be on the verge of an ice
      age. Britain could be heading towards an Alaskan-type climate within a decade,
      say scientists, because the Gulf Stream is being gradually cut off. The Gulf
      Stream keeps temperatures unusually high for such a northerly latitude.

      One of Greenland’s largest glaciers has already doubled its rate of advance,
      moving forward at the rate of 12 kilometers (7.2 miles) per year. To see a
      transcript of the documentary,
      go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/bigchilltrans.shtml


      Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker
      4 Nov 05 - After gathering data for more than ten years, a team of
      Norwegian-led scientists has found that the Greenland Ice Sheet is
      actually growing thicker at its interior.
      See Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker
      .
      .
    * NEW ZEALAND
      All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past year.
      The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains, where they
      gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen at the
      foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three years.(27 May 2003)
             Fox, Franz Josef glaciers defy trend - New Zealand's two best-known
             glaciers are still on the march - 31 Jan 07 - See Franz Josef Glacier

    * SOUTH AMERICA
           - Argentina's Perito Moreno Glacier (the largest glacier in Patagonia)
              is advancing at the rate of 7 feet per day. The 250 km² ice formation,
              30 km long, is one of 48 glaciers fed by the Southern Patagonian Ice
              Field. This ice field, located in the Andes system shared with Chile,
              is the world's third largest reserve of fresh water.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perito_Moreno_Glacier

           - Chile's Pio XI Glacier (the largest glacier in the southern hemisphere)
              is also growing.
                   
    * UNITED STATES
            - Colorado (scroll down to see AP article)
            - Washington (Mount St. Helens, Mt. Rainier* and Mt. Shuksan
            - California (Mount Shasta - scroll down for info)
            - Montana (scroll down for info)
            - Glacier Peak, WA (scroll down for info
            - Alaska (Mt. McKinley and Hubbard).
                     
    *

      Antarctic ice grows to record levels
      13 Sep 07 - While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed
      in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern
      Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder
      and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting,
      See Antarctic ice grows to record levels

       
      Oops - West Antarctic Ice Sheet
      not losing ice as fast as we thought
      20 Oct 09 â€" New measurements by
      GPS Network suggest the rate of ice
      loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet
      has been slightly overestimated.
      See Oops - West Antarctic Ice Sheet not losing ice as fast as we thought    

      .
    *

      Antarctica's Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf is growing
      7 Dec 05 â€" Scientists Joughin and Bamber re-evaluated the mass balances
      of the ice in Antarctica. "It is clear from the results of this study that the
      Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf is not rapidly, or even slowly, wasting away.
      Quite to the contrary, it is growing."
      See Antarctica's Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf growing
       
    *

      Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
      19 Feb 08 - A Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly
      a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and
       buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.
      See Most snow cover since 1966
      .
      .
    *

      Mount St. Helens’ Crater Glacier Advancing Three Feet Per Day
      25 Jun 07 - See Crater Glacier
       
    *

      Against odds, glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens
      15 May 08 â€" See Glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens
       
    *

      Mount St. Helens glacier (Crater Glacier) growing 50 feet per year
      September 20, 2004 - See Mount St. Helens

    *

      Glaciers growing on California's Mount Shasta! 
      12 Oct 03 - See Mount Shasta Glaciers Growing
      9 Jul 08 - See also California Glaciers Growing
       
    *

      Geologists Unexpectedly Find 100 Glaciers in Colorado 
      7 Oct 01 See Colorado Glaciers Growing 
       
    * Washington's Nisqually Glacier is Growing
      See Nisqually Glacier

    *

      Glaciers in Montana's Glacier Park on the verge of growing
      5 Oct 2002. See Glacier Park
       
    * Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing thicker
      See  Antarctic Icecap Growing Thicker
      See Construction crane buried in the Antarctic Ice Sheet

* * *

Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!
10 May 09 â€" This from climatologist Cliff Harris of the Coeur d’Alene Press.
It's possible that the glacier could close the fjord by later this summer if the
current rate speeds up, says Harris.
See Alaska's Hubbard Glacier advancing 7 feet per day!


Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak, WA
16 Oct 08 â€" Email from reader
Before I moved to CO in 2005 it was obvious that the glaciers and snow
had receded and rock was visible in areas all the way to the peak. The glaciers
and snow are back now ... completely covered in white from top to bottom,
and this is after the "warm" summer months here in the PNW.
See Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak, WA
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Glaciers in Norway Growing Again
Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors
results in Alaska, elsewhere, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate.
See Glaciers in Norway Growing Again
   


Glaciers in western Himalayas thickening and expanding 
Arctic ice cover above it’s 30-year average
23 Nov 08 - A study published by the American Meteorological Society
found that glaciers are only shrinking in the eastern Himalayas. Further
west, in the Hindu Kush and the Karakoram, glaciers are "thickening
and expanding".
See Glaciers in western Himalayas thickening and expanding
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Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
16 Oct 08 - High snowfall and cold weather to blame leading
to the increase in glacial mass.
See Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
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Growing Alaskan glaciers the start of a new Little Ice Age?
14 Oct 08 â€" “Never before in the history of a research project dating back
to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that
came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.
See Growing Alaskan glaciers the start of a new Little Ice Age?
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Himalayan Glaciers Not Shrinking
Glacial Experts Question Theory of Global Warming
15 Feb 07 - See Himalayan Glaciers Not Shrinking
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Many people have asked why some glaciers in South America are melting.
I think it is perfectly understandable. Remember, we have had two of the
strongest El Ninos on record during the past 21 years. During an El Nino,
a narrow band of the Pacific Ocean warms by as much as 14 degrees. This
band of warm water travels east essentially along the equator until it slams
into South America.

It seems logical that the increased rainfall caused by El Nino, plus the
warmer winds blowing across the warmer water, could hasten glacial melt.
But let me say it again. I do not believe that this is caused by humans, I think
it is caused by the El Nino phenomenon, which is caused by underwater
volcanism, which is increasing due to the ice-age cycle.

With this said, let me point out many glaciers in South America remain
stable, and some - including the Pio XI Glacier and the Perito Moreno
Glacier - are growing. The Pio XI Glacier is the largest glacier in the
southern hemisphere. The Moreno Glacier is the largest glacier in Patagonia.

I find it curious that news reports do not mention these two glaciers.

* * *

Contrary to previous reports, Arctic ice did not thin during the 1990s, say
researchers at the Department of Oceanography at Göteborg University in
Göteborg, Sweden. http://www.envirotruth.org/images/ice-in-90s.pdf

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Alaska Glacier Surges -17 Mar 06
See McGinnis Glacier 

[PaulLowrance]

silverfish,

I saw that Mount Shasta is in your list, which I am well familiar with, so I went to WikiPedia to get the full picture. Please read,

Quote from WikiPedia on the Mount Shasta's glaciers:
"In 2002, scientists made the first detailed survey of Mount Shasta's glaciers in 50 years. They found that seven of the glaciers have grown over the period 1951-2002, with the Hotlum and Wintun Glaciers nearly doubling, the Bolam Glacier increasing by half, and the Whitney and Konwakiton Glaciers growing by a third.^[6] The study concluded that though there has been a two to three degree Celsius temperature rise in the region, there has also been a corresponding increase in the amount of snowfall. Increased temperatures have tapped Pacific Ocean moisture, leading to snowfalls that supply the accumulation zone of the glacier with 40 percent more snowfall than is melted in the ablation zone."

As you can the issues at hand are far more complex. Do you actually question that the temperatures have increased 2 - 3 degrees C? Such data is recorded constantly throughout the United States,

Mount Shasta live temperature,
http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/california/mount-shasta-2455436/

Such data is stored. They know what the average temperatures are from any given time period. The problem occurs when people try to take the temperature average from just a few years. Temperatures over the years fluctuate a great deal. One needs to take long term averages, as in decades.

Paul

[PaulLowrance]

Mount Shasta live temperature,
http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/california/mount-shasta-2455436/

BTW, if you click on "Records and Averages" you will see there are records going back to 1949, which means this Mount Shasta database alone goes back to at least 1949. Yes, such temperatures have been recorded for a long time. They know the average *long term* temperatures. Global warming is real.

Paul

[jdcmusicman]

Global warming =  a government full of crooks trying to find ways to tax its already over taxed  people ....
Here is a thought if the Glaciers are ICE , then that means it was water BEFORE it was ice ..So it once was all melted ..
If all the ice on the planet melts tomorrow there nothing anybody can do about it ......Just like if the sun  just stopped burning we would all be ice and there would be not one thing we could to about ....
If an asteroid hits the planet and kills everything theres nothing nobody can do about it ..
Its just a bunch propaganda BS for crooks to get money ...
If it warms up ,it warms up ...OH WELL ....