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[void109]

Regarding JLN's latest video.

Most of what is being discussed lately is far beyond my comprehension level - pretty new to electronics and magnetism. 

I had a notion which might just be newbie crazy - but to create electrical current with a pickup coil, you require a changing magnetic field.  We see with the Orbo, the toroids are pulsed so as to lessen their attraction to the approaching neo magnets.   Isnt the same occurring in JLN's 2SGen experiment?  While the flux of the coil is contained within the toroid - wouldn't this cause the flux lines of the neo to change as the attraction to the toroid changes?  And it would be these changing flux lines of the neo magnet that are driving current through the pickup coil.

From my physics-lacking perspective, this is what I'm seeing.  Am I remotely close to the mark?

Thanks!

[0c]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=A;sa=downfile&id=373

To simplify, the MH curve represents the "internal" state of the material. The BH curve represents the magnetic field "external" to the material.

The part about saturation - When fully saturated, the internal state (M) of the material will not change any further, no matter how much you try. But what happens to the B field? Permeability will never drop below "1", so if a stronger magnetizing force is applied, some of that will still propogate outside the material, and the externally detectable B field will continue to increase, but slowly compared to presaturated levels.

Thanks! That's a good reference, Gravityblock.

Hope this helps.

[lumen]

Regarding JLN's latest video.

Most of what is being discussed lately is far beyond my comprehension level - pretty new to electronics and magnetism. 

I had a notion which might just be newbie crazy - but to create electrical current with a pickup coil, you require a changing magnetic field.  We see with the Orbo, the toroids are pulsed so as to lessen their attraction to the approaching neo magnets.   Isnt the same occurring in JLN's 2SGen experiment?  While the flux of the coil is contained within the toroid - wouldn't this cause the flux lines of the neo to change as the attraction to the toroid changes?  And it would be these changing flux lines of the neo magnet that are driving current through the pickup coil.

From my physics-lacking perspective, this is what I'm seeing.  Am I remotely close to the mark?

Thanks!

Void109,
   
It's really amazing how well it actually works. The toroid's core attracts the magnets field and causes a delay in the field passing through the pickup coil. Then when the toroid is energized, the magnets field takes a shorter route directly through the pickup coil.

I think a small capacitor along with the toroid coil to set up a resonant frequency, it would take an even smaller input to cause the output.
I must say though, I still don't like the idea of JLN trying to patent the toroidal winding process that I had described a month earlier! Shame on him.

[dirt diggler]

It doesn't matter if any of this stuff is patented.  A patent is USELESS.  Anyone who patents any part is just spending money for no reason.
Let them waste time and money on their patents, it means absolutely NOTHING.

[mondrasek]

I must say though, I still don't like the idea of JLN trying to patent the toroidal winding process that I had described a month earlier! Shame on him.

Lumen, if you are referring to JLN's report here:  http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm#patent that is not his patent.  It is a US Army patent.  He just found it and brought it to our attention as possibly being important to understand when winding toroids.  You, of course, have been telling us all about the same issue for quite some time before.