STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[billmehess]

It isn't at all clear that they will get even more money if they reveal everything at once. All business is shady, has secrets, manipulates and so on. That's the nature of business. Otherwise everybody will be equally wealthy and that wealth differential won't exist. If you and I are angry at this kind of manipulation we should be 100 times more angry at the even greater manipulations of corporate culture we're sunk in. I'm amazed that they even showed that much.

I sure agree with you on most of this but what really have they show? Its all smoke and mirrors.

[Omnibus]

I sure agree with you on most of this but what really have they show? Its all smoke and mirrors.

Why smoke and mirrors? They showed practical constancy of V and I at all conditions of the experiment where according to Lentz' law there shouldn't have been one.

[mondrasek]

I too would like to see the unit run off of a capacitor.  But Steorn says they will reveal the reason for the battery in the future.  So I must assume there is a reason for it.  One that I can think of is this:

The Steorn demo devices may not be able to generate enough electrical energy to replace the electrical energy needed to "switch" the toriodal coil to saturation.  This is due to the fact that they are not re-capturing the electrical energy that is used to switch the coils.  That energy is not being looped back to the battery and is lost (mostly as heat?).  Likewise, the work of the rotor in overcoming mechanical friction and wind resistance is also expending energy that is not recycled to the battery and is lost (again as heat).

So the system may still be OU but not able to run without an input energy source.  Still, they may be getting more energy out than in, and that is still OU.  The demo units are in this example an energy amplification device, but not a self running device.

Those of us that will only except the self running device as proof of OU might ask why they did not go that route.  I would argue that you could do either and prove OU technology.  I for one am fine with an energy amplification display as proof.  And maybe that is the simplest design that they could show, ie. the design with the smallest number of parts that could be claimed to house fraud, and the easiest to instrument to show more energy out than in.

Steorn has said that their technology can be demonstrated in a purely mechanical fashion as well as this electrical demo model.  Maybe these demo units can be reconfigured to show both, and ultimately a self runner, etc.

Just thoughts.

M.

[Omnibus]

@mondrasek,

I agree with all you're saying. I too would be satisfied to see this as an energy amplifier, never mind self-runner (would be good but isn't crucial for the scientific conclusion I'm seeking). Paradoxically they are excellently equipped to demonstrate energy amplifications at a blink of an eye (almost). This is one of the best endowed OU experiments I've ever seen. Too bad the corporate spirit stands in the way. So, if you're a real scientist you're poor and cannot demonstrate it properly because of lack of funding (you'll be fired if you try to do it with the equipment from your day job) but if you're funded as a corporate entity you cannot demonstrate it properly because of the company requirements. Sticky wicked.

[hartiberlin]

The Steorn demo devices may not be able to generate enough electrical energy to replace the electrical energy needed to "switch" the toriodal coil to saturation.  This is due to the fact that they are not re-capturing the electrical energy that is used to switch the coils.  That energy is not being looped back to the battery and is lost (mostly as heat?).  Likewise, the work of the rotor in overcoming mechanical friction and wind resistance is also expending energy that is not recycled to the battery and is lost (again as heat).

So the system may still be OU but not able to run without an input energy source.  Still, they may be getting more energy out than in, and that is still OU.  The demo units are in this example an energy amplification device, but not a self running device.


M.

Exactly, I totally agree.
As they don´t recycle back the BackEMF from the toroidal coils yet,
their output from the generator coils is probably lower than the input,
so in this crude model they can not show selfrunning with just a cap.

But I believe them, that all the output which is finally comverted to heat is bigger than
the total electrical input, so it is a OU evice.
But to measure this total heat output is pretty complicated and could
only be done with a very special and precise calorimeter.

So it is better first to scale this effect up with bigger magnets and toroidal coils
and recycle the inputed toroidal coil energy via the BackEMF and
then it could get selfrunning, if the losses are minimized.