STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[broli]

Oke we already know there's no EMF when the circuit is shorted and the magnets being rotated. But still not absolutely certain if the same can be said when current flows. In order to remain sane and progress here's a simple setup that can resolve this easily and put an end to that discussion.

Wind a bifilair toroidal core, so you have two coils wound around the same core. First hook either one of the coils to the scope and confirm there's indeed no induced EMF when the magnets are spun. Now take one coil and hook it to DC and leave the other coil on the scope. The other coil will act as a pickup and show any induced EMF that would be present in the main DC coil, without being distorted by the voltage of the battery. If again there's nothing then we can conclude there's also no voltage when DC is applied.

I hope someone performs this test as it's an important one to reach closer to the complete understanding of this motor. If there is no EMF then that's it for me, I'll do everything I can to build a home unit, because then I know this is absolutely overunity.

[lumen]

@Broli,
The test that was done on the Steorn motor showed the current draw to remain flat after the coil was energized. This would seem to indicate that if the current was flat then there was no back EMF even when the coil was energized. Any forward or back EMF would have shown on the trace.

I think the real problem now, is the required pulse width while waiting for the rotor to pass, consumes too much power. The core material is the key! What has high permeability and low saturation point. Some grades of ferrite do but most have very high saturation because this is a good quality for transformers.
I think it may be better to use some low carbon steel as the core with the main problem being the eddy currents. If the core was wound of soft steel wire, it may be better than most of the ferrite. It may be that a powdered iron core would be better. In any case I think this may be the next direction. 

[callanan]

Hi All,

I have found that with the addition of a stator magnet appropriately arranged behind the torroid coil, the torque of the rotor is dramatically increased for the same input power! Please see the following diagram and arrangement.

Regards,

Ossie

[k4zep]

Hi All,

I have found that with the addition of a stator magnet appropriately arranged behind the torroid coil, the torque of the rotor is dramatically increased for the same input power! Please see the following diagram and arrangement.

Regards,

Ossie

Hi Ossie,

Your creativeness is like a breath of fresh air!!!!  Excellent work.....As usual, I'm breathing dust now in your wake!

Respectfully
Ben

[captainpecan]

The fact that the rotor spins at all is the evidence of OU.  Unless anyone can prove that some of the electrical input energy to the coils is directly causing the force that creates acceleration of the rotors.  If input energy and rotation are completely separate, then it must be OU.

Although I'm with all of you and all this work, and behind everyone 100%, I must respectfully disagree with this statement.  Just because the rotor spins, is not proof of OU at all.  Also, just because the rotation, and input energy are totally separate, it still does not prove OU.  I agree, it's necessary to prove OU, but it's not enough alone. Like others have mentioned, the work the rotor can do, has GOT to be measured to prove OU.  It's no different than lifting a boulder to the top of a hill and letting it go.  You lifted the boulder to the top of the hill. (input energy).  The boulder rolled down the hill. (output energy).  You did not shove the boulder down the hill, you let gravity and all other outside forces act on that boulder to force it down that hill.  Therefor input energy was totally separate from output energy, yet without storing the potential (pulsing the toroid) into that boulder, the energy from the environment would not be able to act upon it.  It still was not OU.  What we are hoping to see with Orbo design, is that gravity chooses to shove that boulder harder for us, without us having to do anything else.

I think it is important that we all keep our heads, and don't make more out of something than we have yet.  We have a very interesting concept, that shows an extreme amount of promise.  Many are moving step by step and proving one piece at a time of OU. The OU in this motor is going to show up in mechanical energy.  But it's the conversion back into electrical energy that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.  We still have to tackle Lenz Law in the generator side...  I think we will get there.  But let's take it one step at a time...