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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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teslaalset

@All,

Steorn has posted an Addendum video with new info .
It can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGSdUdONpw

Mmmm, I wonder:

- I see multiple winding layers
- I calculated a permeability ratio of 7650

Are they showing the real Orbo toroid or just an example?

k4zep

Quote from: teslaalset on January 20, 2010, 07:47:21 AM
@All,

Steorn has posted an Addendum new video with info and instructions.
It can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGSdUdONpw


Hi Ossie,

http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/VYGSdUdONpw

A new video above by Steorn’s lab.  Ossie let me know it was up in our continuing great conversations.
I must say Ossie does more in a day than I do in a week!

My reply to Ossie.

OK, they just showed that there is not DC resistive change while the inductor is in or out of a magnetic field.
This is well known!


This also indicates that if you have NO CEMF, while the inductance changes, the DC resistance of the coil remains the same.
That should be understood chicken and egg theory, no chicken, no egg

In an toroid inductor, because of it construction, there will be no difference in the attraction via an electrical current
in the inductor if it is of a BALANCED or unbalanced design.

In a toroid inductor, there will be no induced voltage in a correctly positioned inductor hence NO inductive reactance
change in current because of CEMF...........duh because there is no voltage/current.

BUT there will be a difference in current in the PULSE circuit from the power supply because of the inductive reactance of the cores, which increases as the inductance decreases when the motor is running @ each magnet passage, which we see and this they have NOT discussed.  I suspect this is a good thing and the "Kernel" of the device.  The driving force HAS to be the A field and nothing else in a perfectly designed ORBO.  Which I might say Bedini has demonstrated so effectively.

NOW they need to discuss the EFFECTIVE input power at speed vs. the DC power input @ zero RPM and the intensity of the delayed wave.  IS its intensity based on the DC power input and ignoring the AC power input caused by the inductance change or is it induced by the effective AC power input @ speed but intensifies when the inductance changes BACK to the higher value after passage with no input power, a after the fact wave pulse in the inductor with POWER GAIN.  Timing is so important here.  THE pulse IN  would have to be shorter than the passage of the rotating magnetic field while it lowers the inductance and the input power pulse would initiate the wave in this lower inductive value core, the wave size and power should increase due to the change back to the higher inductance.......

The funny thing is I have done all these same measurements 2 or so weeks ago.  I just haven't been able to measure the delayed viscous field in a active motor to be sure of what is happening. (JLN does show this effect very cleverly, and it is obviously there) If I with a particular core, could measure a delay, and it does amplify in a delayed pulse with an increasing inductance, we would be home free.

So folk, there is much to think about and don't be too upset with me but I think the Bedini motor/generator when working correctly utilizes this same effect which long term will leave John Bedini in the drivers seat.

Ben

wings

Quote from: k4zep on January 20, 2010, 08:08:16 AM

Hi Ossie,

http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/VYGSdUdONpw

A new video above by Steorn’s lab.  Ossie let me know it was up in our continuing great conversations.
I must say Ossie does more in a day than I do in a week!

My reply to Ossie.

OK, they just showed that there is not DC resistive change while the inductor is in or out of a magnetic field.
This is well known!


This also indicates that if you have NO CEMF, while the inductance changes, the DC resistance of the coil remains the same.
That should be understood chicken and egg theory, no chicken, no egg

In an toroid inductor, because of it construction, there will be no difference in the attraction via an electrical current
in the inductor if it is of a BALANCED or unbalanced design.

In a toroid inductor, there will be no induced voltage in a correctly positioned inductor hence NO inductive reactance
change in current because of CEMF...........duh because there is no voltage/current.

BUT there will be a difference in current in the PULSE circuit from the power supply because of the inductive reactance of the cores, which increases as the inductance decreases when the motor is running @ each magnet passage, which we see and this they have NOT discussed.  I suspect this is a good thing and the "Kernel" of the device.  The driving force HAS to be the A field and nothing else in a perfectly designed ORBO.  Which I might say Bedini has demonstrated so effectively.

NOW they need to discuss the EFFECTIVE input power at speed vs. the DC power input @ zero RPM and the intensity of the delayed wave.  IS its intensity based on the DC power input and ignoring the AC power input caused by the inductance change or is it induced by the effective AC power input @ speed but intensifies when the inductance changes BACK to the higher value after passage with no input power, a after the fact wave pulse in the inductor with POWER GAIN.  Timing is so important here.  THE pulse IN  would have to be shorter than the passage of the rotating magnetic field while it lowers the inductance and the input power pulse would initiate the wave in this lower inductive value core, the wave size and power should increase due to the change back to the higher inductance.......

The funny thing is I have done all these same measurements 2 or so weeks ago.  I just haven't been able to measure the delayed viscous field in a active motor to be sure of what is happening. (JLN does show this effect very cleverly, and it is obviously there) If I with a particular core, could measure a delay, and it does amplify in a delayed pulse with an increasing inductance, we would be home free.

So folk, there is much to think about and don't be too upset with me but I think the Bedini motor/generator when working correctly utilizes this same effect which long term will leave John Bedini in the drivers seat.

Ben


find in internet:
"There are some aspects of physics that are never taught and therefore never considered. If you add the magnetic field (B) from a bar magnet to one from a current carrying coil wound on that bar (deltaB) the field everywhere is a the sum of two terms, B+deltaB.
Energy density goes with the square of the field, so expanding the square of the sum we get B^2 +2BdeltaB + deltaB^2. B^2 is the original energy from the magnet. deltaB^2 is the energy from the coil. 2BdeltaB is excess energy gained from where?
You won't find the answer in your text books! That is not a trivial amount of energy, and it can be shown that it comes from the quantum domain. It is ignored because over a full cycle it is generally not available to us.
Can an electro-magnetic theory which ignores magnetic energy shuttling about within our machines be considered complete? Is it not possible that someone will eventually discover how to tap into that ignored energy flow?
- cyrilsmith UK "