STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[teslaalset]

@ Omega_O,
Sorry, I didn't mean to discourage you in continuing simulation of Orbo.
Please, continue to do so.

In addition to your remarks to the coil measurements as shown in Steorns earlier videos where the show 980 and 960 mH, everyone should be aware that those values are only part of the inductance value story.
We know now what the coil values are under the influence of the permanent magnet, but very little info has been mentioned or shown to the real trick in Orbo: the coil values caused by the core material under the influence of a powered coil.

The other coil values that we need to know are related to the influence of the H field (the A/m values) to the coil while powering the coils.

If Metglas is used, which seems very likely, the inductance could be 1000 times higher as the measured values given by the videos, where the coils are only very slightly driven by current to do the coil value measurement.
I assume here that the permeability of the core is already 1000 when the coil is not yet powered, and the max. permeability of metglas is 1.000.000.

Now, 1000 is related to the maximum permeability value of metglas cores at a certain DC situation, so in practice it may be less, let's say 100.
That leads to incredible inductance values that explain the current lag just after switching on the voltage across the coil.
So, the inductance will vary roughly from 1 H to 100 H in a very short time instance.
Simulating this process will be a real challenge.

[lostcauses10x]

On the last demo supposedly showing more out than in:
Well a quick check on the proportions of the joule heating relations of input to output, ( ignoring the subtraction to the input.
Strange thing about joule heating is it only occurs when current flows, so the time off, and time for fly back is not needed to see if more energy is put in than out.. All the info to compare the true input to output is there for them that desire to see.

It is approx 1 1/4 more for input energy than output energy.. No extra electrical out.
Interesting  Not OU.
Not going to recharge that battery with that.

[Omnibus]

On the last demo supposedly showing more out than in:
Well a quick check on the proportions of the joule heating relations of input to output, ( ignoring the subtraction to the input.
Strange thing about joule heating is it only occurs when current flows, so the time off, and time for fly back is not needed to see if more energy is put in than out.. All the info to compare the true input to output is there for them that desire to see.

It is approx 1 1/4 more for input energy than output energy.. No extra electrical out.
Interesting  Not OU.
Not going to recharge that battery with that.

As I already explained, the above is an incorrect understanding as to what happens in Orbo.

[lostcauses10x]

As I already explained, the above is an incorrect understanding as to what happens in Orbo.

You deal with what you believe is going on inside of it.
Your game of the inside of the black box. It good for Steorns pay to play game.. Have you payed to get in yet??

I will deal with what is going on out side of it.
Rise time of the wave of input to the top. Off part of trace level with the top (not the drop to a minus joule heating, or joule cooling)  To the next on, and repeat.
The climb rate of input greatly out does the rate climb of the output.
Simple measurement by there own scope traces shows no electrical gain on out put, but loss. 

As I said I will look out side the box. It don't add up.


Hey Omnibus I if as you say: subtract the flyback: does the battery last longer???, or the same time as before it was subtracted???   
So does joule heating become less to the battery input time due to flyback subtraction??
Remember nothing in the demo is feedback to the battery.

[Jimboot]

Sure I can because he did not even offer any details at all of his experiments except for one thing, and that was in previous experiments where he clearly said the battery voltage is slowly decreasing.

If he can dare to post that he did not disconnect the battery for the entire 43 hours, then I'll sit back and wait to see what his battery does next.  0.03 volts is extremely small, and could also be due to if the motor slows down, which draws less from the battery, which could easily cause 0.03 volts relaxation.

If jimboot is reading this, then all of this means that the battery cannot be disconnected at all during the 43 hours, and that includes while you're taking the voltage measurement. Disconnecting it for even a moment prior to taking the measurement can cause relaxation, and even relaxation oscillations that dampen out. Furthermore, that is by no means proper battery measurements! Again, *proper* battery measurements are taken when the battery has been disconnected and fully relaxed, which should be at least a few hours. That does not mean one cannot datalog battery voltage at all times, but the measurements one considers is when the battery has fully relaxed after being disconnected.

Please show the input & output measurements.

Paul, the only reason I haven't taken I/O measurements is because I don't know how. I have no intention of getting into a pissing contest with you as I wouldn't know where to start. I only post what I see on the meter  to learn from this esteemed group.  If my posts are too dumb & annoying then I'll go and see if the is an overunity creche forum I'm not trying to make any claim here, just telling you what I observe.

Yes the battery had dropped in voltage then it came back up. I left the house yesterday morning & it was 1.20 I got home 10 hours later & it was 1.23. This morning it had dropped again to 1.21. I dropped back home this morning and the motor was still going. SO that was 62 hours of continuous run when I last checked. The battery HAS NOT been disconnected at any stage during this run. I'm not sure of the significance of this. Anyway this belongs in the other thread.